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SCHOOLS and libraries stood empty and rubbish bins went uncollected while council staff marched through the streets at the start of a two-day strike over pay.
The industrial action has forced the closure of 14 schools in Bournemouth and 10 in Poole.
Bins stood uncollected on streets in Poole and the New Forest on day one of the strike, while the Nuffield Recycling Centre in Poole was closed for the day. A similar level of disruption is likely today.
All of Bournemouth's libraries, along with some in Poole and Dorset, were shut and two children's centres in Poole were also closed.
Transport for school children and day centre visitors in Dorset was disrupted, as were many everyday services at town halls and the county council.
The strike also saw protest marches and rallies at Bournemouth and Poole as workers made their feelings known.
More than 100 staff took part in the Bournemouth event, handing out leaflets and appealing for support from shoppers and motorists.
Chris Spreadbury, who works at Boscombe Neighbourhood Nursery, said: "We want a fair day's pay. There's a lot of people here who are under the normal pay structure.
"The cost of living is going up and up, and yet the council want to cap what they pay us. People have just had enough," he added.
And Becky Walsh, who works for Bournemouth Tourism, said: "We don't want to lose two days' pay, but we have to do this if we don't want to lose out in the long run.
"I don't think people understand what council pay is like. There's bad press about the wages of top managers, but ordinary rank and file workers don't earn anything like near enough."
In Poole, some 70 council workers and their families marched around the civic centre and then on to Poole Park for a series of heartfelt speeches.
Acting Poole branch secretary Cheryl Owen said: "We continue to help the council make savings while maintaining good services, but at the same time we are being undervalued with a pay offer that is insulting."
She added: "We work really hard and we enjoy our jobs and we enjoy serving the public but we need to be given respect for that."
In the New Forest, Council information offices in Fordingbridge, Lymington and New Milton were closed and the Lymington Visitor Information Centre could only offer a reduced service.
East Dorset District Council was forced to close its counter to people claiming housing and council tax benefit until Friday.
Christchurch and North Dorset councils both reported no effect on frontline services.
The local government employers insist they cannot afford a bigger pay rise without hitting services.
5:54am Thursday 17th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: laurie marsh, australia on 8:37am Thu 17 Jul 08
"We work hard"?
Possibly, but looking at the picture, not many of them look underweight!
It is good to know that they are not starving!
"We work hard"?
Possibly, but looking at the picture, not many of them look underweight!
It is good to know that they are not starving!
Posted by: TimC1J, Bournemouth on 9:03am Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
"We work hard"? Possibly, but looking at the picture, not many of them look underweight! It is good to know that they are not starving![/quote] So.. two of them then.. yeah, well done, great comment. Its ignorant people like you that cleary dont have a clue how things work.
You [bold]DO[/bold] realise that magical pixies do all the administration work behind our kids education, collecting refuse etc right?
laurie marsh wrote:
"We work hard"? Possibly, but looking at the picture, not many of them look underweight! It is good to know that they are not starving!
So.. two of them then.. yeah, well done, great comment. Its ignorant people like you that cleary dont have a clue how things work.
You
DO realise that magical pixies do all the administration work behind our kids education, collecting refuse etc right?
Posted by: mar, poole on 9:14am Thu 17 Jul 08
Laurie, maybe on their wages they cannot afford fruit and vegetables.
Laurie, maybe on their wages they cannot afford fruit and vegetables.
Posted by: Trifecta, Southbourne on 9:29am Thu 17 Jul 08
Were they aware of the wages being offered when they took the job?
I assume that the answer is yes and to punish working people, because that is whom the selfish strikers have punished, for not getting a bumper pay rise is highly unfair and very, at a time when NOBODY is getting a decent pay rise, incredibly insensitive.
They also need to consider the fact that ten years ago there would have been one million less of them.
If the pay is not good enough resign and let somebody else do the work, every job Bournemouth Council advertise is massively over subscribed, and then they can go out and actually contribute something.
Were they aware of the wages being offered when they took the job?
I assume that the answer is yes and to punish working people, because that is whom the selfish strikers have punished, for not getting a bumper pay rise is highly unfair and very, at a time when NOBODY is getting a decent pay rise, incredibly insensitive.
They also need to consider the fact that ten years ago there would have been one million less of them.
If the pay is not good enough resign and let somebody else do the work, every job Bournemouth Council advertise is massively over subscribed, and then they can go out and actually contribute something.
Posted by: tednphil, bournemouth on 9:33am Thu 17 Jul 08
Surely the strikers are loosing almost as much money by not working in these 2 days, as they are hopeing to gain annually.
Lemmings comes to mind!
Surely the strikers are loosing almost as much money by not working in these 2 days, as they are hopeing to gain annually.
Lemmings comes to mind!
Posted by: V1 on 9:50am Thu 17 Jul 08
Some people don't earn as much as council workers, but they aren't striking for more money. They are just getting on with their jobs and day-to-day lives. Not everyone has the option of joining a union and being able to strike.
Everyone is in the same boat at the same boat at the moment. We are all struggling with rising prices of food etc.
Get a life so people can get on with theirs.
Some people don't earn as much as council workers, but they aren't striking for more money. They are just getting on with their jobs and day-to-day lives. Not everyone has the option of joining a union and being able to strike.
Everyone is in the same boat at the same boat at the moment. We are all struggling with rising prices of food etc.
Get a life so people can get on with theirs.
Posted by: TimC1J, Bournemouth on 10:02am Thu 17 Jul 08
LOL Pathetic. At least they're doing something about it. Get off your behind and stop whinging.
LOL Pathetic. At least they're doing something about it. Get off your behind and stop whinging.
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 10:02am Thu 17 Jul 08
I have said before, we would all like to have more money, but in this time of crisis all those who are out on strike no there is little chance of getting what they want.
Rather than except the offer on hand, they would prefer to lose two days pay, and receive a very small minimal strike pay instead. On top of this they upset the work force as in those who do not wish to strike, and those who's work is disrupted because of strike action. Here I mean such as schools, public offices etc.
The knock effect is far greater than the strikers realise. One only had to watch the news, or go by a picket line. Not many cars honking their horns in support, or the usual support strikers would get.
Why because it is the wrong to take this action. Be thankful you have work, be thankful you got an offer of a payrise, be thankful for what you have. Get back to work.
I have said before, we would all like to have more money, but in this time of crisis all those who are out on strike no there is little chance of getting what they want.
Rather than except the offer on hand, they would prefer to lose two days pay, and receive a very small minimal strike pay instead. On top of this they upset the work force as in those who do not wish to strike, and those who's work is disrupted because of strike action. Here I mean such as schools, public offices etc.
The knock effect is far greater than the strikers realise. One only had to watch the news, or go by a picket line. Not many cars honking their horns in support, or the usual support strikers would get.
Why because it is the wrong to take this action. Be thankful you have work, be thankful you got an offer of a payrise, be thankful for what you have. Get back to work.
Posted by: JLC2, here on 10:15am Thu 17 Jul 08
So how much do these people earn? and what are their skills?
So how much do these people earn? and what are their skills?
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 10:43am Thu 17 Jul 08
TimCIJ,
Teachers work 3 weeks out of 4.
The last time that you went to a library, (if you have ever been), you must have been very impressed with the speed that the librarians were zooming around the place!
I have seen the "efforts" put in by council staff for a lot of years.
The pay in a lot of cases is poor but what makes the job attractive in the first place is job security, not too much pressure and great fringe benefits.
Everyone knows this before they apply for the job!
If they wanted to chase the "big bucks" they would have gone into private enterprise!
TimCIJ,
Teachers work 3 weeks out of 4.
The last time that you went to a library, (if you have ever been), you must have been very impressed with the speed that the librarians were zooming around the place!
I have seen the "efforts" put in by council staff for a lot of years.
The pay in a lot of cases is poor but what makes the job attractive in the first place is job security, not too much pressure and great fringe benefits.
Everyone knows this before they apply for the job!
If they wanted to chase the "big bucks" they would have gone into private enterprise!
Posted by: JLC2, here on 10:49am Thu 17 Jul 08
Why don't we get teachers to fill in the gaps with some other work. Do they really need twelve weeks holiday a year?
Also, why not get prisoners to undertake work? Is it not a better idea that they should be out working rather than sitting in cells playing playstations? Why aren't they out collecting the rubbish, building new prisons (to solve the problem of too few prison spaces), building social housing and cleaning the streets?
Bring back the chain gangs!
Why don't we get teachers to fill in the gaps with some other work. Do they really need twelve weeks holiday a year?
Also, why not get prisoners to undertake work? Is it not a better idea that they should be out working rather than sitting in cells playing playstations? Why aren't they out collecting the rubbish, building new prisons (to solve the problem of too few prison spaces), building social housing and cleaning the streets?
Bring back the chain gangs!
Posted by: The General, Poole on 12:10pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Laurie, your capitalist comments never fail to suprise me, at least you have stopped posting in capital letters.
It works like this.... Your views may be your own, and whilst influenced by certain books like Mien Kampf, and the like, you no longer live here. If you did, you would be contributing towards the local and national economy, erg the wages that these people are pleading for, and therefore you views would count. Instead, you live on an island, thousands of miles away, in the safety of sunshine, and a steady economy, slating what you left behind. Might I suggest that you do just that. Put the anger behind you. Move on in life, and try to be happy. Instead of bastardising everyone else who has a valid axe to grind....
Laurie, your capitalist comments never fail to suprise me, at least you have stopped posting in capital letters.
It works like this.... Your views may be your own, and whilst influenced by certain books like Mien Kampf, and the like, you no longer live here. If you did, you would be contributing towards the local and national economy, erg the wages that these people are pleading for, and therefore you views would count. Instead, you live on an island, thousands of miles away, in the safety of sunshine, and a steady economy, slating what you left behind. Might I suggest that you do just that. Put the anger behind you. Move on in life, and try to be happy. Instead of bastardising everyone else who has a valid axe to grind....
Posted by: JLC2, here on 12:30pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Australia is where you go when you’ve made a mess of everything. That’s why the 1.3m Brits who live there are known as whingeing Poms. Because they’re all failures.
Australia is where you go when you’ve made a mess of everything. That’s why the 1.3m Brits who live there are known as whingeing Poms. Because they’re all failures.
Posted by: Quakers, Poole on 1:29pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Is it not ironic that the Trade Unions got this shambolic government relected and now they are unhappy. Not all Council workers are on strike, so please be nice to the ones that are working and trying to provide us with a service.
Is it not ironic that the Trade Unions got this shambolic government relected and now they are unhappy. Not all Council workers are on strike, so please be nice to the ones that are working and trying to provide us with a service.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 1:37pm Thu 17 Jul 08
THE GENERAL,
How dare you!
I lived in B'm'th for enough years to contribute enough to the local economy to more than earn the right to put in my "two cents worth"!
I still put in!
If I may be succinct, I have never sent any-one out to die for my ideals!
Is not that what a general does?
Or did you fail at that too?
THE GENERAL,
How dare you!
I lived in B'm'th for enough years to contribute enough to the local economy to more than earn the right to put in my "two cents worth"!
I still put in!
If I may be succinct, I have never sent any-one out to die for my ideals!
Is not that what a general does?
Or did you fail at that too?
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 1:42pm Thu 17 Jul 08
JLC2,
Madam, Your Knowledge of Australia seems to match the Knowledge of everything else that you quote on!
The only ones that dont get on are the ones that sound like you!
JLC2,
Madam, Your Knowledge of Australia seems to match the Knowledge of everything else that you quote on!
The only ones that dont get on are the ones that sound like you!
Posted by: JLC2, here on 1:58pm Thu 17 Jul 08
What? Suave, sophistocated and French?
When did you last get referred to as a whinging pom?
What? Suave, sophistocated and French?
When did you last get referred to as a whinging pom?
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 2:06pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
"We work hard"? Possibly, but looking at the picture, not many of them look underweight! It is good to know that they are not starving![/quote] sorry whats a persons weight go to do with anything I have come to the conclusion that you have nothing better to do than insult people.
laurie marsh wrote:
"We work hard"? Possibly, but looking at the picture, not many of them look underweight! It is good to know that they are not starving!
sorry whats a persons weight go to do with anything I have come to the conclusion that you have nothing better to do than insult people.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 2:16pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Hoppity,
The point that I was trying to make was that anyone that really works hard is not overweight!
They dont have the time!
I know, I was one of those people!
You can come to what conclusion you want but while you are being "nice" your country (and mine) is falling to bits!
Hoppity,
The point that I was trying to make was that anyone that really works hard is not overweight!
They dont have the time!
I know, I was one of those people!
You can come to what conclusion you want but while you are being "nice" your country (and mine) is falling to bits!
Posted by: JLC2, here on 2:25pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Yes but you worked as a knob polisher.
It's hard work keeping all those bedknobs shiny. Anyway...stelios is a bit chunky and he owns an airline, a hotal chain, a cruise ship etc etc
Yes but you worked as a knob polisher.
It's hard work keeping all those bedknobs shiny. Anyway...stelios is a bit chunky and he owns an airline, a hotal chain, a cruise ship etc etc
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 2:25pm Thu 17 Jul 08
JLC2,
Madam, at 1.58.
But it came from nothing that was of any importance!
E.G. YOU
JLC2,
Madam, at 1.58.
But it came from nothing that was of any importance!
E.G. YOU
Posted by: jayne edwards, townsend on 2:26pm Thu 17 Jul 08
do any one have a list of all 14 schools shut in bournemouth today please.
do any one have a list of all 14 schools shut in bournemouth today please.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 2:36pm Thu 17 Jul 08
JLC2,
Look at your entry at 10.49!
It appears that you have changed your angle of attack. Apparently it is now my turn!
What happened, did the drug kick in?
JLC2,
Look at your entry at 10.49!
It appears that you have changed your angle of attack. Apparently it is now my turn!
What happened, did the drug kick in?
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 2:40pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Trifecta[/bold] wrote:
Were they aware of the wages being offered when they took the job? I assume that the answer is yes and to punish working people, because that is whom the selfish strikers have punished, for not getting a bumper pay rise is highly unfair and very, at a time when NOBODY is getting a decent pay rise, incredibly insensitive. They also need to consider the fact that ten years ago there would have been one million less of them. If the pay is not good enough resign and let somebody else do the work, every job Bournemouth Council advertise is massively over subscribed, and then they can go out and actually contribute something.[/quote] Another classic comment form another know nothing half wit.
What DOES your village do for an idiot when yoo go on holiday?
Perhaps these council workers took low paid jobs because they were unemployed and wanted to work and to contribute???
Private sector workers enjoy Christmas shutdowns and Christmas bonuses and profit sharing schemes and better pensions.
Most council workers are low paid women who cannot afford to take up the council pension, don't get time off at Christmas unless it is annual leave, and who don't get profit sharing.
Council workers were told when the "good times" were abundant that they had to accept 2% every year.
So we didn't "coin it" like the private sector did for the last 10 years.
Think lollipop ladies, dinner ladies, social workers and the like and stop tagging us in line with council leaders and councillors and MPS who get untold riches and expenses.
Trifecta wrote:
Were they aware of the wages being offered when they took the job? I assume that the answer is yes and to punish working people, because that is whom the selfish strikers have punished, for not getting a bumper pay rise is highly unfair and very, at a time when NOBODY is getting a decent pay rise, incredibly insensitive. They also need to consider the fact that ten years ago there would have been one million less of them. If the pay is not good enough resign and let somebody else do the work, every job Bournemouth Council advertise is massively over subscribed, and then they can go out and actually contribute something.
Another classic comment form another know nothing half wit.
What DOES your village do for an idiot when yoo go on holiday?
Perhaps these council workers took low paid jobs because they were unemployed and wanted to work and to contribute???
Private sector workers enjoy Christmas shutdowns and Christmas bonuses and profit sharing schemes and better pensions.
Most council workers are low paid women who cannot afford to take up the council pension, don't get time off at Christmas unless it is annual leave, and who don't get profit sharing.
Council workers were told when the "good times" were abundant that they had to accept 2% every year.
So we didn't "coin it" like the private sector did for the last 10 years.
Think lollipop ladies, dinner ladies, social workers and the like and stop tagging us in line with council leaders and councillors and MPS who get untold riches and expenses.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 2:46pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
THE GENERAL, How dare you! I lived in B'm'th for enough years to contribute enough to the local economy to more than earn the right to put in my "two cents worth"! I still put in! If I may be succinct, I have never sent any-one out to die for my ideals! Is not that what a general does? Or did you fail at that too?[/quote] Wrong!
You have no right to criticise what you dumped.
It seems like you got a life, a better one too, so shut up and get on with it and butt out of what is no longer your country.
You may have contributed but you don't now. I bet the Aussies just love you! Just as well you left voluntarily cause you would have been a prime candidate for transportation! lol
laurie marsh wrote:
THE GENERAL, How dare you! I lived in B'm'th for enough years to contribute enough to the local economy to more than earn the right to put in my "two cents worth"! I still put in! If I may be succinct, I have never sent any-one out to die for my ideals! Is not that what a general does? Or did you fail at that too?
Wrong!
You have no right to criticise what you dumped.
It seems like you got a life, a better one too, so shut up and get on with it and butt out of what is no longer your country.
You may have contributed but you don't now. I bet the Aussies just love you! Just as well you left voluntarily cause you would have been a prime candidate for transportation! lol
Posted by: JLC2, here on 2:50pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I haven't changed my angle of attack. You live in Australia so you're pretty much a convict anyway. You should be put to work too.
I haven't changed my angle of attack. You live in Australia so you're pretty much a convict anyway. You should be put to work too.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 2:52pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Dumb question.
Do the lollipop ladies, teachers and dinner ladies show up for work at Christmas time?
Going nowhere with this, just a question.
Do they still get paid?
Dumb question.
Do the lollipop ladies, teachers and dinner ladies show up for work at Christmas time?
Going nowhere with this, just a question.
Do they still get paid?
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 3:00pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Hey, Disgusted Dad,
Did you miss the bit about "I still do"?
It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks!
Hey, Disgusted Dad,
Did you miss the bit about "I still do"?
It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks!
Posted by: Emulated, Bournemouth on 3:01pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Sorry but the council members decided the money was better spent on their improved expenses. Better if the Town Hall staff went on strike. No facilities for the councillors. No switchboard. Soon get a pay rise then.
Sorry but the council members decided the money was better spent on their improved expenses. Better if the Town Hall staff went on strike. No facilities for the councillors. No switchboard. Soon get a pay rise then.
Posted by: Emulated, Bournemouth on 3:03pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Quote JLC2 wrote:
Why don't we get teachers to fill in the gaps with some other work. Do they really need twelve weeks holiday a year?"
Yes, they do marking preparition, free school trips and need a rest from the brats they teach with lousy parents.
Quote JLC2 wrote:
Why don't we get teachers to fill in the gaps with some other work. Do they really need twelve weeks holiday a year?"
Yes, they do marking preparition, free school trips and need a rest from the brats they teach with lousy parents.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 3:05pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
Hey, Disgusted Dad, Did you miss the bit about "I still do"? It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks![/quote] I work for a local authority, but I am not on strike because I am not in the union.
I belive that we should all negotiate individual pay increases dependant on our work, or lack of it.
However, I defend colleagues who are in the union and feel aggrieved.
By the way, when I said Christmas I meant the private sector that shuts down for 3 weeks. Council workers still collect rubbish and carry out many other tasks during this period.
You don't contribute if you don't pay taxes here, end of.
laurie marsh wrote:
Hey, Disgusted Dad, Did you miss the bit about "I still do"? It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks!
I work for a local authority, but I am not on strike because I am not in the union.
I belive that we should all negotiate individual pay increases dependant on our work, or lack of it.
However, I defend colleagues who are in the union and feel aggrieved.
By the way, when I said Christmas I meant the private sector that shuts down for 3 weeks. Council workers still collect rubbish and carry out many other tasks during this period.
You don't contribute if you don't pay taxes here, end of.
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 3:08pm Thu 17 Jul 08
JLC2,
Madame, This from someone who would like to be French?
Remember the two fingers (discretely) raised!
I try not to insult women but in your case I will make an exception!
Vive La Australie!
JLC2,
Madame, This from someone who would like to be French?
Remember the two fingers (discretely) raised!
I try not to insult women but in your case I will make an exception!
Vive La Australie!
Posted by: laurie marsh, australia on 3:11pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Hey, Discust...,
I DO PAY TAXES THERE!
Hey, Discust...,
I DO PAY TAXES THERE!
Posted by: TA, bournemouth on 3:13pm Thu 17 Jul 08
In answer to many of the questions above.
Come and take a look at some of the local schools for instance. See how many SUPPORT staff lose vast ammounts of weight without even trying. When I went for my job it was advertised as salary 13,554 only I discovered once I accepted the post I would in fact only be getting under 7,000.
I am qualified to do my job yet I get exactly the same as an unqualified person. However I only studied for 2 years to become a level 3 Teaching assistant. My daughter on the other hand has a position in a local council run Nursery, She works long hours FROM 8am to 6pm , has studied for 5 years and now has a degree in Childcare etc. and works her socks off for local children and gets 40p an hour less than I do. She is 8 stone in weight Five feet 8 inches tall. I am in my forties and am 8 stone 5 pounds, a weight I used to be at the age of 12. I am not in the UNION because I also have children to feed and can't afford Union fees on top. I have brought my 4 kids up in a 2 up 2 down have nothing to show from being a council worker not even carpets let alone new items, I am expected to dress smartly for my job. Thank goodness for charity shops. I don't take a holiday, have never been abroad. I built my PC from scraps... One thing that I am fully aware of is if we do all get a pay rise then it is inevitable that it will go on our council tax bills, so no doubt I will have THE BAILIFFS AT MY DOOR. Don't criticise these brave souls for going on strike. If they chose to spend their pittance of a wage on food then that's their business and is of no relevance to the real issues. What a totally ignorant,pointless comment. Personally I work without breaks most of the time to ensure that I give my all to the pupils I work with and no matter what my wage I always will! I go home exhausted and collapse in a heap and sleep for 2 hours before tending to my own children, as do most of my colleagues. My wage is spread over the 52 weeks so I get around 500 pounds a month for full time work. The school I work for is shut, but we have been given more than enough work to take home with us. Many of us take our Paperwork home and do a lot of unpaid work as it is. It is an insult to be accused of being lazy. Our colleagues working within the council departments I'm sure will echo these types of things going on with them too.
In answer to many of the questions above.
Come and take a look at some of the local schools for instance. See how many SUPPORT staff lose vast ammounts of weight without even trying. When I went for my job it was advertised as salary 13,554 only I discovered once I accepted the post I would in fact only be getting under 7,000.
I am qualified to do my job yet I get exactly the same as an unqualified person. However I only studied for 2 years to become a level 3 Teaching assistant. My daughter on the other hand has a position in a local council run Nursery, She works long hours FROM 8am to 6pm , has studied for 5 years and now has a degree in Childcare etc. and works her socks off for local children and gets 40p an hour less than I do. She is 8 stone in weight Five feet 8 inches tall. I am in my forties and am 8 stone 5 pounds, a weight I used to be at the age of 12. I am not in the UNION because I also have children to feed and can't afford Union fees on top. I have brought my 4 kids up in a 2 up 2 down have nothing to show from being a council worker not even carpets let alone new items, I am expected to dress smartly for my job. Thank goodness for charity shops. I don't take a holiday, have never been abroad. I built my PC from scraps... One thing that I am fully aware of is if we do all get a pay rise then it is inevitable that it will go on our council tax bills, so no doubt I will have THE BAILIFFS AT MY DOOR. Don't criticise these brave souls for going on strike. If they chose to spend their pittance of a wage on food then that's their business and is of no relevance to the real issues. What a totally ignorant,pointless comment. Personally I work without breaks most of the time to ensure that I give my all to the pupils I work with and no matter what my wage I always will! I go home exhausted and collapse in a heap and sleep for 2 hours before tending to my own children, as do most of my colleagues. My wage is spread over the 52 weeks so I get around 500 pounds a month for full time work. The school I work for is shut, but we have been given more than enough work to take home with us. Many of us take our Paperwork home and do a lot of unpaid work as it is. It is an insult to be accused of being lazy. Our colleagues working within the council departments I'm sure will echo these types of things going on with them too.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 3:14pm Thu 17 Jul 08
...........our timing only look like it sucks because this is the pay rise we should have had in April.
Why is it that there is not the same vociferous and atagonistic opposition towards our MPs MEPs and councillors who earn...sorry.... TAKE absolutely [bold]fantastic[/bold] amounts from us in expenses, and yet you all begrudge a dinner lady an extra 50 pence and hour, but are silent on an MEP who takes £250,000.00 a year in expenses alone??
...........our timing only look like it sucks because this is the pay rise we should have had in April.
Why is it that there is not the same vociferous and atagonistic opposition towards our MPs MEPs and councillors who earn...sorry.... TAKE absolutely
fantastic amounts from us in expenses, and yet you all begrudge a dinner lady an extra 50 pence and hour, but are silent on an MEP who takes £250,000.00 a year in expenses alone??
Posted by: JLC2, here on 3:19pm Thu 17 Jul 08
If you accepted a job on salary of £13554 then only got paid £7000 and accepted it, well, you are either a naive idiot, or a very naive idiot.
If you accepted a job on salary of £13554 then only got paid £7000 and accepted it, well, you are either a naive idiot, or a very naive idiot.
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 3:19pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
Hoppity, The point that I was trying to make was that anyone that really works hard is not overweight! They dont have the time! I know, I was one of those people! You can come to what conclusion you want but while you are being "nice" your country (and mine) is falling to bits![/quote] personal attacks have nothing to do with voicing an opinion. yes we have problems in this country but i still want to live here and would defend anyones right to strike, rightly or wrongly. I still maintain that just because these people are not Sylph like does not nean they do not work hard.
Have you read to kill a mocking bird, is there not a linr which refers to "walking around in another mans shoes before you judge him" I never assume things about other peoples job unless I have had experience of that job, or their dietry habits either.
laurie marsh wrote:
Hoppity, The point that I was trying to make was that anyone that really works hard is not overweight! They dont have the time! I know, I was one of those people! You can come to what conclusion you want but while you are being "nice" your country (and mine) is falling to bits!
personal attacks have nothing to do with voicing an opinion. yes we have problems in this country but i still want to live here and would defend anyones right to strike, rightly or wrongly. I still maintain that just because these people are not Sylph like does not nean they do not work hard.
Have you read to kill a mocking bird, is there not a linr which refers to "walking around in another mans shoes before you judge him" I never assume things about other peoples job unless I have had experience of that job, or their dietry habits either.
Posted by: TA, bournemouth on 3:22pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[bold]Laura Marsh Please note no the lollipop ladies, dinner ladies[/bold] Teaching Assistants care takers in fact all support staff DO NOT GET PAID FOR ANY HOLIDAYS> THEY HAVE THEIR WAGES THAT THE HAVE EARNED during working time SPREAD OVER THE 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR>[bold]bold.They do get the time off but rest assured they don't get Paid for nothing!
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Laura Marsh Please note no the lollipop ladies, dinner ladies Teaching Assistants care takers in fact all support staff DO NOT GET PAID FOR ANY HOLIDAYS> THEY HAVE THEIR WAGES THAT THE HAVE EARNED during working time SPREAD OVER THE 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR>
bold.They do get the time off but rest assured they don't get Paid for nothing!
Posted by: JLC2, here on 3:23pm Thu 17 Jul 08
And £500 an month is about £2 per hour below the minimum wage, so I suggest you go to court.
And £500 an month is about £2 per hour below the minimum wage, so I suggest you go to court.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 3:25pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote:
Hey, Discust..., I DO PAY TAXES THERE![/quote] Then I apologise unreservedley.
I am just jealous you got to a country that isn't rapidly going down the toilet, much as I love mother England, she is sinking I fear.
laurie marsh wrote:
Hey, Discust..., I DO PAY TAXES THERE!
Then I apologise unreservedley.
I am just jealous you got to a country that isn't rapidly going down the toilet, much as I love mother England, she is sinking I fear.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 3:31pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]JLC2[/bold] wrote:
And £500 an month is about £2 per hour below the minimum wage, so I suggest you go to court.[/quote] £500 take home you fool.
Have you nothing better to do with your life than sit there all day making snide unclever comments?
I expect the £7000.00 is pro rata or a job share figure.
(Sorry JLC2 I mentioned Latin and Job which are two words you are undoubtedly unfamiliar with). Bless
JLC2 wrote:
And £500 an month is about £2 per hour below the minimum wage, so I suggest you go to court.
£500 take home you fool.
Have you nothing better to do with your life than sit there all day making snide unclever comments?
I expect the £7000.00 is pro rata or a job share figure.
(Sorry JLC2 I mentioned Latin and Job which are two words you are undoubtedly unfamiliar with). Bless
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 3:32pm Thu 17 Jul 08
hope people remember the tollpuddle martyr's when they moan about workers striking for their rights it was the like of the martys that got us lunch breaks, tea breaks, holidays, the abolition of child labour. I dont say I agree with every strike but I defend the right to strike
hope people remember the tollpuddle martyr's when they moan about workers striking for their rights it was the like of the martys that got us lunch breaks, tea breaks, holidays, the abolition of child labour. I dont say I agree with every strike but I defend the right to strike
Posted by: Dorset Red, Dorset on 3:34pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Oh dear me! I am appalled at the "I'm alright Jack" attitude of so many people on this message board.
It looks like self interest and ignorance are back on the agenda and Margaret Thatcher's children are all grown up and ready to vote for Cameron and the nasty party at the next election.
I wonder of any of these people who ciriticse public sector employees would like to swap places and see how hard it really is.
I certainly wouldn't want to swap with a friend of mine who is a head teacher and got a grand total of THREE DAYS holiday last year!!!!!! Just because the kids aren't in school doesn't mean they aren't working. Anybody who thinks that is simply stupid!
At the other end of the scale, Teaching assistants work incredibly hard delivering front line education to our kids. Maybe many people just dont understand how much these people do for a pittance that was once the preserve of the fully qualified teacher.
Oh dear me! I am appalled at the "I'm alright Jack" attitude of so many people on this message board.
It looks like self interest and ignorance are back on the agenda and Margaret Thatcher's children are all grown up and ready to vote for Cameron and the nasty party at the next election.
I wonder of any of these people who ciriticse public sector employees would like to swap places and see how hard it really is.
I certainly wouldn't want to swap with a friend of mine who is a head teacher and got a grand total of THREE DAYS holiday last year!!!!!! Just because the kids aren't in school doesn't mean they aren't working. Anybody who thinks that is simply stupid!
At the other end of the scale, Teaching assistants work incredibly hard delivering front line education to our kids. Maybe many people just dont understand how much these people do for a pittance that was once the preserve of the fully qualified teacher.
Posted by: Dorset Red, Dorset on 3:36pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]JLC2[/bold] wrote:
And £500 an month is about £2 per hour below the minimum wage, so I suggest you go to court.[/quote] point 1 -- you are an idiot
point 2 -- who do you think it was that got a national minimum wage onto the statute book?
point 3 -- you are an idiot!
JLC2 wrote:
And £500 an month is about £2 per hour below the minimum wage, so I suggest you go to court.
point 1 -- you are an idiot
point 2 -- who do you think it was that got a national minimum wage onto the statute book?
point 3 -- you are an idiot!
Posted by: Dorset Red, Dorset on 3:45pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Disgusted Dad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote: Hey, Disgusted Dad, Did you miss the bit about "I still do"? It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks![/quote] I work for a local authority, but I am not on strike because I am not in the union. I belive that we should all negotiate individual pay increases dependant on our work, or lack of it. However, I defend colleagues who are in the union and feel aggrieved. By the way, when I said Christmas I meant the private sector that shuts down for 3 weeks. Council workers still collect rubbish and carry out many other tasks during this period. You don't contribute if you don't pay taxes here, end of.[/quote] So, have you tried negotiating your own payrise? I wonder what response you would get if you went to the leader of the council and tried to negotiatie on your own. I suspect you would be shown the door VERY quickly!
How can people be so wet behind the ears!?
Disgusted Dad wrote:
laurie marsh wrote: Hey, Disgusted Dad, Did you miss the bit about "I still do"? It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks!
I work for a local authority, but I am not on strike because I am not in the union. I belive that we should all negotiate individual pay increases dependant on our work, or lack of it. However, I defend colleagues who are in the union and feel aggrieved. By the way, when I said Christmas I meant the private sector that shuts down for 3 weeks. Council workers still collect rubbish and carry out many other tasks during this period. You don't contribute if you don't pay taxes here, end of.
So, have you tried negotiating your own payrise? I wonder what response you would get if you went to the leader of the council and tried to negotiatie on your own. I suspect you would be shown the door VERY quickly!
How can people be so wet behind the ears!?
Posted by: JLC2, here on 3:49pm Thu 17 Jul 08
My word you people love to rant about things you don't know much about! A salary of £7000 PA would give you a take home package of £583.33 a month. You'd pay £26.08 tax and £14.02 national insurance. Based on a 37 hour working week you'd be taking home £3.65 an hour, approximately £2 less than the minimum wage of £5.52! Since I'm led to believe that this person works full time hours I can only assume she is being trested illegally and should do something about it.
Alternatively you could just dip in to the money I pay in tax (which equates monthly to roughly the size of the lyberina defecit) and have some benefits. Which with two children at home you'd be entitled to.
Oh and DD, Thú ert brúr Svínfellsáss, em sagt er, hverja ir níunda nótt ok geri hann thik at konu.
My word you people love to rant about things you don't know much about! A salary of £7000 PA would give you a take home package of £583.33 a month. You'd pay £26.08 tax and £14.02 national insurance. Based on a 37 hour working week you'd be taking home £3.65 an hour, approximately £2 less than the minimum wage of £5.52! Since I'm led to believe that this person works full time hours I can only assume she is being trested illegally and should do something about it.
Alternatively you could just dip in to the money I pay in tax (which equates monthly to roughly the size of the lyberina defecit) and have some benefits. Which with two children at home you'd be entitled to.
Oh and DD, Thú ert brúr Svínfellsáss, em sagt er, hverja ir níunda nótt ok geri hann thik at konu.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 4:04pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Dorset Red[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Disgusted Dad[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]laurie marsh[/bold] wrote: Hey, Disgusted Dad, Did you miss the bit about "I still do"? It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks![/quote] I work for a local authority, but I am not on strike because I am not in the union. I belive that we should all negotiate individual pay increases dependant on our work, or lack of it. However, I defend colleagues who are in the union and feel aggrieved. By the way, when I said Christmas I meant the private sector that shuts down for 3 weeks. Council workers still collect rubbish and carry out many other tasks during this period. You don't contribute if you don't pay taxes here, end of.[/quote] So, have you tried negotiating your own payrise? I wonder what response you would get if you went to the leader of the council and tried to negotiatie on your own. I suspect you would be shown the door VERY quickly! How can people be so wet behind the ears!?[/quote] Of course I would not go to the leader of the council to ask negotiate a pay rise. I was speaking metaphorically.
I am not so naive to believe he would shake me warmly by the hand, congratulate me on my work and offer me 10%
I utterly defend my colleagues right to strike, and I know I may benefit from their sacrifices.
I simply cannot afford to be a union member or lose 2 days pay.
Dorset Red wrote:
Disgusted Dad wrote: laurie marsh wrote: Hey, Disgusted Dad, Did you miss the bit about "I still do"? It is ok to rant at me but I am just one (of many) who think that your timing sucks!
I work for a local authority, but I am not on strike because I am not in the union. I belive that we should all negotiate individual pay increases dependant on our work, or lack of it. However, I defend colleagues who are in the union and feel aggrieved. By the way, when I said Christmas I meant the private sector that shuts down for 3 weeks. Council workers still collect rubbish and carry out many other tasks during this period. You don't contribute if you don't pay taxes here, end of.
So, have you tried negotiating your own payrise? I wonder what response you would get if you went to the leader of the council and tried to negotiatie on your own. I suspect you would be shown the door VERY quickly! How can people be so wet behind the ears!?
Of course I would not go to the leader of the council to ask negotiate a pay rise. I was speaking metaphorically.
I am not so naive to believe he would shake me warmly by the hand, congratulate me on my work and offer me 10%
I utterly defend my colleagues right to strike, and I know I may benefit from their sacrifices.
I simply cannot afford to be a union member or lose 2 days pay.
Posted by: TA, bournemouth on 4:04pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Naive idiot fair comment! Anyway Thanks for pointing out the Blatantly obvious! But I had no other job to go to having already worked my notice at my previous employment, There was nothing legally that I could do apart from walk out after the first month when I discovered my wage was not as expected. My point is it has happened to most if not all the support staff that have applied for a job in my school. I could have decided to sponge off Society and let the rest of the country including your good self feed and provide for my offspring instead of doing my bit. I was actually hoping to get my point through:-If you look at the jobs section in The Echo jobs in schools and for the Borough Council are advertised in such a way that it looks like you will be earning a good wage and for anyone looking at the Ad they would be of the opinion that it is an awful lot of money for such a job. My advice to anyone considering taking up such a post in Bournemouth: divide the amount offered by half to be on the safe side. I am not sure that I agree with a 6% pay rise though, like I said before, it will end up on everyone's council tax bill. I'm fortunate my Self employed husband works too. We are entitled to council tax rebate but we never claim it we have 2 school age children, but I believe as we chose to have 4 children it is our responsibility to provide for them not anyone else. So I will continue to work as I am albiet under valued and underpaid.
Posted by a knackered, skinny,naive idiot of a Secondary School Teaching assistant! Duh! what planet is this again?
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Naive idiot fair comment! Anyway Thanks for pointing out the Blatantly obvious! But I had no other job to go to having already worked my notice at my previous employment, There was nothing legally that I could do apart from walk out after the first month when I discovered my wage was not as expected. My point is it has happened to most if not all the support staff that have applied for a job in my school. I could have decided to sponge off Society and let the rest of the country including your good self feed and provide for my offspring instead of doing my bit. I was actually hoping to get my point through:-If you look at the jobs section in The Echo jobs in schools and for the Borough Council are advertised in such a way that it looks like you will be earning a good wage and for anyone looking at the Ad they would be of the opinion that it is an awful lot of money for such a job. My advice to anyone considering taking up such a post in Bournemouth: divide the amount offered by half to be on the safe side. I am not sure that I agree with a 6% pay rise though, like I said before, it will end up on everyone's council tax bill. I'm fortunate my Self employed husband works too. We are entitled to council tax rebate but we never claim it we have 2 school age children, but I believe as we chose to have 4 children it is our responsibility to provide for them not anyone else. So I will continue to work as I am albiet under valued and underpaid.
Posted by a knackered, skinny,naive idiot of a Secondary School Teaching assistant! Duh! what planet is this again?
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Posted by: Richard Mayes on 4:07pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Have they been on strike, must say that I haven't noticed it, the bins were emptied on time and that's the only service most of us use. Just have a thought for those you expect to pay the higher taxes necessary to fund any increases - many Pensioners this Winter will have to make the choice whether to pay CT or have a warm home and food. The Politicians know that this is a unfair tax - but as Kenneth Clarke candidly admits - it has the benefit of being easy to collect. He was also the inventor of The Fuel Escalator Tax and put VAT on fuel at the maximum rate - so knows a little about tax,
Have they been on strike, must say that I haven't noticed it, the bins were emptied on time and that's the only service most of us use. Just have a thought for those you expect to pay the higher taxes necessary to fund any increases - many Pensioners this Winter will have to make the choice whether to pay CT or have a warm home and food. The Politicians know that this is a unfair tax - but as Kenneth Clarke candidly admits - it has the benefit of being easy to collect. He was also the inventor of The Fuel Escalator Tax and put VAT on fuel at the maximum rate - so knows a little about tax,
Posted by: JLC2, here on 4:11pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Well I think you should claim. I, and you pay taxes for the benefit of our own citizens. If the council are paying you below minimum wage then you should bloody well claim it back anyway you can.
Trust me. If you don't someone else less deserving will.
Well I think you should claim. I, and you pay taxes for the benefit of our own citizens. If the council are paying you below minimum wage then you should bloody well claim it back anyway you can.
Trust me. If you don't someone else less deserving will.
Posted by: Quakers, Poole on 4:12pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I agree with you Dorset Red about your comments on low paid public sector workers who do much to keep our town clean and our children safe and educated. However, the nasty Tories will surely not be able to sell out this country and bleed the working class of this Country to anywhere near the same amount as the current cowboys led by a Scot. Move over Laurie we're all coming down under coz too many free loaders are coming here, causing taxes to rise and thus people to strike to preserve their current standard of living. I hope you'll all vote when the time comes. PS If you are still all up at 10, watch News at Ten to see how much fraud is taking place and the £millions of pounds this Gov is allowing to leak out of the system because its being too politically correct - It will make your blood boil
I agree with you Dorset Red about your comments on low paid public sector workers who do much to keep our town clean and our children safe and educated. However, the nasty Tories will surely not be able to sell out this country and bleed the working class of this Country to anywhere near the same amount as the current cowboys led by a Scot. Move over Laurie we're all coming down under coz too many free loaders are coming here, causing taxes to rise and thus people to strike to preserve their current standard of living. I hope you'll all vote when the time comes. PS If you are still all up at 10, watch News at Ten to see how much fraud is taking place and the £millions of pounds this Gov is allowing to leak out of the system because its being too politically correct - It will make your blood boil
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 4:15pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]JLC2[/bold] wrote:
My word you people love to rant about things you don't know much about! A salary of £7000 PA would give you a take home package of £583.33 a month. You'd pay £26.08 tax and £14.02 national insurance. Based on a 37 hour working week you'd be taking home £3.65 an hour, approximately £2 less than the minimum wage of £5.52! Since I'm led to believe that this person works full time hours I can only assume she is being trested illegally and should do something about it. Alternatively you could just dip in to the money I pay in tax (which equates monthly to roughly the size of the lyberina defecit) and have some benefits. Which with two children at home you'd be entitled to. Oh and DD, Thú ert brúr Svínfellsáss, em sagt er, hverja ir níunda nótt ok geri hann thik at konu.[/quote] JLC2
You really really really want us all to think you work so hard and earn so very much your tax bill is huger than huge
We thank you so very much for letting us breathe the same air as you.
How can we ever reach the same giddy heights that you have attained through merely existing?
Please let us in on your secret of being so perfcet in every way.
Oh and reciting Medieval Norse insults, probably from some internet site, is not exactly high brow, although I must admit fresh and unusual.
JLC2 wrote:
My word you people love to rant about things you don't know much about! A salary of £7000 PA would give you a take home package of £583.33 a month. You'd pay £26.08 tax and £14.02 national insurance. Based on a 37 hour working week you'd be taking home £3.65 an hour, approximately £2 less than the minimum wage of £5.52! Since I'm led to believe that this person works full time hours I can only assume she is being trested illegally and should do something about it. Alternatively you could just dip in to the money I pay in tax (which equates monthly to roughly the size of the lyberina defecit) and have some benefits. Which with two children at home you'd be entitled to. Oh and DD, Thú ert brúr Svínfellsáss, em sagt er, hverja ir níunda nótt ok geri hann thik at konu.
JLC2
You really really really want us all to think you work so hard and earn so very much your tax bill is huger than huge
We thank you so very much for letting us breathe the same air as you.
How can we ever reach the same giddy heights that you have attained through merely existing?
Please let us in on your secret of being so perfcet in every way.
Oh and reciting Medieval Norse insults, probably from some internet site, is not exactly high brow, although I must admit fresh and unusual.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 4:19pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Quakers[/bold] wrote:
I agree with you Dorset Red about your comments on low paid public sector workers who do much to keep our town clean and our children safe and educated. However, the nasty Tories will surely not be able to sell out this country and bleed the working class of this Country to anywhere near the same amount as the current cowboys led by a Scot. Move over Laurie we're all coming down under coz too many free loaders are coming here, causing taxes to rise and thus people to strike to preserve their current standard of living. I hope you'll all vote when the time comes. PS If you are still all up at 10, watch News at Ten to see how much fraud is taking place and the £millions of pounds this Gov is allowing to leak out of the system because its being too politically correct - It will make your blood boil[/quote] Back to the debate in hand.
I agree 100%
We should be on the backs of the corrupt freeloading politicians who have their noses so far in the trough they don't care about the taxpayers, and the PC brigade and do gooders that have destroyed this country.
The money wasted would more than pay for a pay rise for the council workers and pay pansioners who fought to let me speak like this a decent amount in retirement.
Quakers wrote:
I agree with you Dorset Red about your comments on low paid public sector workers who do much to keep our town clean and our children safe and educated. However, the nasty Tories will surely not be able to sell out this country and bleed the working class of this Country to anywhere near the same amount as the current cowboys led by a Scot. Move over Laurie we're all coming down under coz too many free loaders are coming here, causing taxes to rise and thus people to strike to preserve their current standard of living. I hope you'll all vote when the time comes. PS If you are still all up at 10, watch News at Ten to see how much fraud is taking place and the £millions of pounds this Gov is allowing to leak out of the system because its being too politically correct - It will make your blood boil
Back to the debate in hand.
I agree 100%
We should be on the backs of the corrupt freeloading politicians who have their noses so far in the trough they don't care about the taxpayers, and the PC brigade and do gooders that have destroyed this country.
The money wasted would more than pay for a pay rise for the council workers and pay pansioners who fought to let me speak like this a decent amount in retirement.
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 4:22pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Disgusted Dad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JLC2[/bold] wrote: My word you people love to rant about things you don't know much about! A salary of £7000 PA would give you a take home package of £583.33 a month. You'd pay £26.08 tax and £14.02 national insurance. Based on a 37 hour working week you'd be taking home £3.65 an hour, approximately £2 less than the minimum wage of £5.52! Since I'm led to believe that this person works full time hours I can only assume she is being trested illegally and should do something about it. Alternatively you could just dip in to the money I pay in tax (which equates monthly to roughly the size of the lyberina defecit) and have some benefits. Which with two children at home you'd be entitled to. Oh and DD, Thú ert brúr Svínfellsáss, em sagt er, hverja ir níunda nótt ok geri hann thik at konu.[/quote] JLC2 You really really really want us all to think you work so hard and earn so very much your tax bill is huger than huge We thank you so very much for letting us breathe the same air as you. How can we ever reach the same giddy heights that you have attained through merely existing? Please let us in on your secret of being so perfcet in every way. Oh and reciting Medieval Norse insults, probably from some internet site, is not exactly high brow, although I must admit fresh and unusual.[/quote] excellent reply i like it very much
Disgusted Dad wrote:
JLC2 wrote: My word you people love to rant about things you don't know much about! A salary of £7000 PA would give you a take home package of £583.33 a month. You'd pay £26.08 tax and £14.02 national insurance. Based on a 37 hour working week you'd be taking home £3.65 an hour, approximately £2 less than the minimum wage of £5.52! Since I'm led to believe that this person works full time hours I can only assume she is being trested illegally and should do something about it. Alternatively you could just dip in to the money I pay in tax (which equates monthly to roughly the size of the lyberina defecit) and have some benefits. Which with two children at home you'd be entitled to. Oh and DD, Thú ert brúr Svínfellsáss, em sagt er, hverja ir níunda nótt ok geri hann thik at konu.
JLC2 You really really really want us all to think you work so hard and earn so very much your tax bill is huger than huge We thank you so very much for letting us breathe the same air as you. How can we ever reach the same giddy heights that you have attained through merely existing? Please let us in on your secret of being so perfcet in every way. Oh and reciting Medieval Norse insults, probably from some internet site, is not exactly high brow, although I must admit fresh and unusual.
excellent reply i like it very much
Posted by: TA, bournemouth on 4:29pm Thu 17 Jul 08
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real!
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real!
Posted by: JLC2, here on 4:32pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Top 10 points of inspiration on how to be a successful as JLC:
1) Remember the man who starts out going nowhere, generally gets there.
2) If you refuse to accept anything but the best you very often get it.
3) Remember quality is not an act. It is a habit.
4) What you think is the top, is only a step.
5) Risk comes from not knowing what you`re doing.
6) Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
7) The surest way to ruin a man who does not know how to handle money is to give him some.
8) Along with success comes a reputation for wisdom.
9) Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
10) In this world man must either be anvil or hammer.
Top 10 points of inspiration on how to be a successful as JLC:
1) Remember the man who starts out going nowhere, generally gets there.
2) If you refuse to accept anything but the best you very often get it.
3) Remember quality is not an act. It is a habit.
4) What you think is the top, is only a step.
5) Risk comes from not knowing what you`re doing.
6) Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.
7) The surest way to ruin a man who does not know how to handle money is to give him some.
8) Along with success comes a reputation for wisdom.
9) Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude.
10) In this world man must either be anvil or hammer.
Posted by: JLC2, here on 4:34pm Thu 17 Jul 08
Stop moaning then!
Posted by: Green & Gold, Bourenmouth on 4:36pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I work for the Council, I did not strike because I cannot afford to go without pay for two days. However, I do admire those who have gone on strike to try and get us a better wage. To those who ask why we took the job in the first place - ever heard of having to pay for a roof over my head and food in my stomach. Low wages are better than nothing I will agree but should also raise as the cost of living does.
I work for the Council, I did not strike because I cannot afford to go without pay for two days. However, I do admire those who have gone on strike to try and get us a better wage. To those who ask why we took the job in the first place - ever heard of having to pay for a roof over my head and food in my stomach. Low wages are better than nothing I will agree but should also raise as the cost of living does.
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 4:37pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]TA[/bold] wrote:
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real![/quote] give up the trying to explain to people why you trying to get more money some people just dont get it and think everybody who strikes does so for the fun of it and that we should just roll over and let politicians walk all over us. i wish u all the best of luck and before people start saying change ur jobs maybe they can change theirs and do the TA jobs and other council workers
TA wrote:
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real!
give up the trying to explain to people why you trying to get more money some people just dont get it and think everybody who strikes does so for the fun of it and that we should just roll over and let politicians walk all over us. i wish u all the best of luck and before people start saying change ur jobs maybe they can change theirs and do the TA jobs and other council workers
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 4:42pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]JLC2[/bold] wrote:
Top 10 points of inspiration on how to be a successful as JLC: 1) Remember the man who starts out going nowhere, generally gets there. 2) If you refuse to accept anything but the best you very often get it. 3) Remember quality is not an act. It is a habit. 4) What you think is the top, is only a step. 5) Risk comes from not knowing what you`re doing. 6) Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. 7) The surest way to ruin a man who does not know how to handle money is to give him some. 8) Along with success comes a reputation for wisdom. 9) Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. 10) In this world man must either be anvil or hammer.[/quote] If the truth be known JLC you are a sad unemployed loner, who was beaten by your parents, hates everyone and everything because you have failed. So, you spend your day on internet forums, dating sites, and "Insult a person in 30 languages" sites.
JLC2 wrote:
Top 10 points of inspiration on how to be a successful as JLC: 1) Remember the man who starts out going nowhere, generally gets there. 2) If you refuse to accept anything but the best you very often get it. 3) Remember quality is not an act. It is a habit. 4) What you think is the top, is only a step. 5) Risk comes from not knowing what you`re doing. 6) Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. 7) The surest way to ruin a man who does not know how to handle money is to give him some. 8) Along with success comes a reputation for wisdom. 9) Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. 10) In this world man must either be anvil or hammer.
If the truth be known JLC you are a sad unemployed loner, who was beaten by your parents, hates everyone and everything because you have failed. So, you spend your day on internet forums, dating sites, and "Insult a person in 30 languages" sites.
Posted by: TA, bournemouth on 4:42pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]TA[/bold] wrote:
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real![/quote] I work officially 25 hours but do more hours unpaid supposed to get TOIL but I work with vulnerable kids who would be left in the lurch if I took time off.6 of us are in legal dispute as we speak. It is a unique siuation within our establishment. We are hoping it has been an oversight.
TA wrote:
OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real!
I work officially 25 hours but do more hours unpaid supposed to get TOIL but I work with vulnerable kids who would be left in the lurch if I took time off.6 of us are in legal dispute as we speak. It is a unique siuation within our establishment. We are hoping it has been an oversight.
Posted by: Disgusted Dad, Townsend on 4:47pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]TA[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]TA[/bold] wrote: OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real![/quote] I work officially 25 hours but do more hours unpaid supposed to get TOIL but I work with vulnerable kids who would be left in the lurch if I took time off.6 of us are in legal dispute as we speak. It is a unique siuation within our establishment. We are hoping it has been an oversight.[/quote] I congratulate you on your commitment to your job and the people you serve.
I work for a Wilts Authority and am ashamed to say I am not in the union, but I support your right to strike. I would walk out if I could afford to lose 2 days pay, and I thank you in advance for your sacrifice because I may benefit from it.
Regards
DD
TA wrote:
TA wrote: OH FOR GOODNESS SAKE!Right - MY WAGES ARE SPREAD OVER 52 WEEKS OF THE YEAR SO I GET 500 QUID A MONTH after deductions including pension contributions. That does not work out as 2 quid an hour! Yes I do get school holidays off so I don't work 52 weeks of the year!!!! I get the minimum wage, well actually just a bit more. Teachers get paid throughout the year and do earn what is advertised. Support staff, look at an AD that implies (cleverly) they too will get the equivalent of 52 weeks worth of wage, which in fact they don't because they don't work for it! OK? My wages are spread over the 52 weeks, but I get paid no more than the hours I work. which is only right and proper I'm sure we are all agreed on that. Can I again try to make my point I am not on strike, will never go on strike. I just object to people assuming that working for the council means you have a cushy life and we are all fat greedy selfish pigs, I don't think it's worth me saying any more. So happy I have a job that I enjoy and has meaning. Glad I don't have to empty your bins or pick up your dog pooh then I would be moaning for real!
I work officially 25 hours but do more hours unpaid supposed to get TOIL but I work with vulnerable kids who would be left in the lurch if I took time off.6 of us are in legal dispute as we speak. It is a unique siuation within our establishment. We are hoping it has been an oversight.
I congratulate you on your commitment to your job and the people you serve.
I work for a Wilts Authority and am ashamed to say I am not in the union, but I support your right to strike. I would walk out if I could afford to lose 2 days pay, and I thank you in advance for your sacrifice because I may benefit from it.
Regards
DD
Posted by: JLC2, here on 4:55pm Thu 17 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Disgusted Dad[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JLC2[/bold] wrote: Top 10 points of inspiration on how to be a successful as JLC: 1) Remember the man who starts out going nowhere, generally gets there. 2) If you refuse to accept anything but the best you very often get it. 3) Remember quality is not an act. It is a habit. 4) What you think is the top, is only a step. 5) Risk comes from not knowing what you`re doing. 6) Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. 7) The surest way to ruin a man who does not know how to handle money is to give him some. 8) Along with success comes a reputation for wisdom. 9) Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. 10) In this world man must either be anvil or hammer.[/quote] If the truth be known JLC you are a sad unemployed loner, who was beaten by your parents, hates everyone and everything because you have failed. So, you spend your day on internet forums, dating sites, and "Insult a person in 30 languages" sites. [/quote] Oh no. You've found out the truth. I actually live in a bedsit in Boscombe surrounded by empty pizza boxes and broken dreams.
You wish sunshine. Next time you see some flash git drive past you in a Porsche, and you mutter "what an idiot" under your breath, remember. IT'S PROBABLY JLC on his way back to casa le cont. When you're next tucking into your value baked beans remember, JLC is probably in a nice restaurant or eating steak at home. When you next look at your wife, sigh, and long for the gorgeous girl you were too scared to ask out at school, remember, she's now married to JLC!
Disgusted Dad wrote:
JLC2 wrote: Top 10 points of inspiration on how to be a successful as JLC: 1) Remember the man who starts out going nowhere, generally gets there. 2) If you refuse to accept anything but the best you very often get it. 3) Remember quality is not an act. It is a habit. 4) What you think is the top, is only a step. 5) Risk comes from not knowing what you`re doing. 6) Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons. 7) The surest way to ruin a man who does not know how to handle money is to give him some. 8) Along with success comes a reputation for wisdom. 9) Nothing can stop the man with the right mental attitude from achieving his goal; nothing on earth can help the man with the wrong mental attitude. 10) In this world man must either be anvil or hammer.
If the truth be known JLC you are a sad unemployed loner, who was beaten by your parents, hates everyone and everything because you have failed. So, you spend your day on internet forums, dating sites, and "Insult a person in 30 languages" sites.
Oh no. You've found out the truth. I actually live in a bedsit in Boscombe surrounded by empty pizza boxes and broken dreams.
You wish sunshine. Next time you see some flash git drive past you in a Porsche, and you mutter "what an idiot" under your breath, remember. IT'S PROBABLY JLC on his way back to casa le cont. When you're next tucking into your value baked beans remember, JLC is probably in a nice restaurant or eating steak at home. When you next look at your wife, sigh, and long for the gorgeous girl you were too scared to ask out at school, remember, she's now married to JLC!
Posted by: hoppity, hamworthy on 4:58pm Thu 17 Jul 08
I would advise all low paid workers to join a union I have been in mine since I was 18 as has my husband have never had the need to strike but when my husband had an accident at work(their fault dodgy machinery) he lost half a finger, the union soliciter negototiated the compensation and loss of wages for the time he was off. I look upon my union subs as an insurance as the union will cover you for all industrial matters not just pay disputes
I would advise all low paid workers to join a union I have been in mine since I was 18 as has my husband have never had the need to strike but when my husband had an accident at work(thei
