PROTESTERS objecting to the threat of thousands more houses being built in south-east Dorset are being urged to join a rally in Bournemouth Square next weekend.
The event, at 11.30am on Sunday, September 14, is to demonstrate the strength of opinion against a government diktat that 48,100 new homes must be built in the area by 2026.
Secretary of state for communities and local government minister, Hazel Blears, has said that the development must include a new town at Lytchett Minster and 7,250 houses in the green belt around Poole and Bournemouth.
The rally will be addressed by celebrities and Dorset MPs. It has been organised on behalf of the SE Dorset Consortium, which is made up of Bournemouth, Poole, Christchurch, East Dorset, Purbeck and Dorset councils, plus seven parish action groups and the Dorset branch of the Campaign for the Preservation of Rural England (CPRE).
CPRE president Terry Stewart said: "The secretary of state is demanding the building of a new town in the green belt that no democratic council asked for.
"She totally ignored all the expensive research and evidence produced at the public inquiry, and wants to desecrate beautiful Dorset."
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The consortium points out that the government demands are not accompanied by any promises of extra money for infrastructure such as new roads, schools and health care.
It also claims the development would lead to 60,000 more cars and 5,000 more lorries on the roads, causing a rise in air pollution and the possible introduction of congestion charging.
Among the groups attending the rally will be the Keep Corfe Mullen Green Group, which has funded banners and placards to use at the Bournemouth protest and future demonstrations in Dorset and at Westminster.
Corfe Mullen Parish Council will host a public meeting in the Corfe Mullen Village Hall on Tuesday, September 30, at 7.30pm.
Posted by: why am i allways right, boscombe on 9:53am Mon 8 Sep 08
Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON
Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON
Hazel Blears is MP for Salford. There is more chance of Labour winning Bournemouth or Poole at the next Election, than of her losing her seat.That's English Democracy for you!
Hazel Blears is MP for Salford. There is more chance of Labour winning Bournemouth or Poole at the next Election, than of her losing her seat.That's English Democracy for you!
Posted by: blue-eyes, Ferndown on 12:38pm Mon 8 Sep 08
Building on green belt is NOT the way forward. It's also not about people already having somewhere to live and objecting to development near them. Do you really want to live in a concrete city? That's what this government seems to be all about, taxing us to death and building estates which will becomes slums as they rob us blind! It's obvious that the opinion of the voters doesn't count!
Building on green belt is NOT the way forward. It's also not about people already having somewhere to live and objecting to development near them. Do you really want to live in a concrete city? That's what this government seems to be all about, taxing us to death and building estates which will becomes slums as they rob us blind! It's obvious that the opinion of the voters doesn't count!
I don't suppose they've told you that they want to build 4 or 5 cities the size of Birmingham in this country because of their messed up Immigration policy....
I don't suppose they've told you that they want to build 4 or 5 cities the size of Birmingham in this country because of their messed up Immigration policy....
Posted by: knocker, christchurch on 2:11pm Mon 8 Sep 08
Democracy is dead, it is totally foreign to our current Politicians and our masters in Brussels. The actions of our Government are in accord with their instructions and compliance with the 110,000 laws regulations and directives now in force. All of which have been nodded through by 'Parliament'.
Democracy is dead, it is totally foreign to our current Politicians and our masters in Brussels. The actions of our Government are in accord with their instructions and compliance with the 110,000 laws regulations and directives now in force. All of which have been nodded through by 'Parliament'.
Posted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 2:45pm Mon 8 Sep 08
The root of the problem is that the UK’s population is growing by 350,000 PA (equivalent to adding an extra city the size of Cardiff to the UK every year), all these people need to live somewhere! This level of growth is unsustainable; the Government should be concentrating on measures to stabilise, and then reduce the UK’s population. For a start, Non EU immigration should be cut to virtually zero, and our “Vicky Pollard” breed and reward benefits culture should be scrapped. If we had a stable population we would not need all these extra houses (sorry flats).
The root of the problem is that the UK’s population is growing by 350,000 PA (equivalent to adding an extra city the size of Cardiff to the UK every year), all these people need to live somewhere! This level of growth is unsustainable; the Government should be concentrating on measures to stabilise, and then reduce the UK’s population. For a start, Non EU immigration should be cut to virtually zero, and our “Vicky Pollard” breed and reward benefits culture should be scrapped. If we had a stable population we would not need all these extra houses (sorry flats).
Posted by: angry mob, Near the Sea on 3:06pm Mon 8 Sep 08
[quote][bold]why am i allways right[/bold] wrote:
Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON [/quote] so we NEED houses do we? I don't notice all those that are currently for sale 'rushing off the shelves'. That aside, you seem to be totally ignoring the fact that there will be no changes made to the supporting infrastructure, our roads are already beyond capacity, where will all the children go to school? Where will all these people find jobs? etc etc etc The arguments are perfectly valid even for those whose back yard this proposed development is NOT in
why am i allways right wrote:
Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON
so we NEED houses do we? I don't notice all those that are currently for sale 'rushing off the shelves'. That aside, you seem to be totally ignoring the fact that there will be no changes made to the supporting infrastructure, our roads are already beyond capacity, where will all the children go to school? Where will all these people find jobs? etc etc etc The arguments are perfectly valid even for those whose back yard this proposed development is NOT in
Posted by: smiler, bournemouth on 4:18pm Mon 8 Sep 08
[quote][bold]angry mob[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]why am i allways right[/bold] wrote: Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON [/quote] so we NEED houses do we? I don't notice all those that are currently for sale 'rushing off the shelves'. That aside, you seem to be totally ignoring the fact that there will be no changes made to the supporting infrastructure, our roads are already beyond capacity, where will all the children go to school? Where will all these people find jobs? etc etc etc The arguments are perfectly valid even for those whose back yard this proposed development is NOT in [/quote] There are tons of houses for sale so why build more? Because a mojority of the ones they will be building will be social housing for people on low or non existant incomes. Why did they ever sell off the old council houses, they should have been a stop gap for people to sort themselves out and then go on to buy a house, thus freeing up the council house for the next family. Not selling them off cheap to tenents who then sell them on for extortionate prices!
angry mob wrote:
why am i allways right wrote: Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON
so we NEED houses do we? I don't notice all those that are currently for sale 'rushing off the shelves'. That aside, you seem to be totally ignoring the fact that there will be no changes made to the supporting infrastructure, our roads are already beyond capacity, where will all the children go to school? Where will all these people find jobs? etc etc etc The arguments are perfectly valid even for those whose back yard this proposed development is NOT in
There are tons of houses for sale so why build more? Because a mojority of the ones they will be building will be social housing for people on low or non existant incomes. Why did they ever sell off the old council houses, they should have been a stop gap for people to sort themselves out and then go on to buy a house, thus freeing up the council house for the next family. Not selling them off cheap to tenents who then sell them on for extortionate prices!
Posted by: Mikeman, Portland on 5:55pm Mon 8 Sep 08
[quote][bold]blue-eyes[/bold] wrote:
Building on green belt is NOT the way forward. It's also not about people already having somewhere to live and objecting to development near them. Do you really want to live in a concrete city? That's what this government seems to be all about, taxing us to death and building estates which will becomes slums as they rob us blind! It's obvious that the opinion of the voters doesn't count![/quote] Blue eyes do you live in a slum, if not what makes you think that a new development will turn into a slum. And as for your comment about the voters not counting I think you would be surprised if you had a national poll how many people would vote yes to building new homes. These new homes are needed & I am sorry if its inconvenient for you but what makes you special.
blue-eyes wrote:
Building on green belt is NOT the way forward. It's also not about people already having somewhere to live and objecting to development near them. Do you really want to live in a concrete city? That's what this government seems to be all about, taxing us to death and building estates which will becomes slums as they rob us blind! It's obvious that the opinion of the voters doesn't count!
Blue eyes do you live in a slum, if not what makes you think that a new development will turn into a slum. And as for your comment about the voters not counting I think you would be surprised if you had a national poll how many people would vote yes to building new homes. These new homes are needed & I am sorry if its inconvenient for you but what makes you special.
Posted by: Mikeman, Portland on 6:07pm Mon 8 Sep 08
[quote][bold]smiler[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]angry mob[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]why am i allways right[/bold] wrote: Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON [/quote] so we NEED houses do we? I don't notice all those that are currently for sale 'rushing off the shelves'. That aside, you seem to be totally ignoring the fact that there will be no changes made to the supporting infrastructure, our roads are already beyond capacity, where will all the children go to school? Where will all these people find jobs? etc etc etc The arguments are perfectly valid even for those whose back yard this proposed development is NOT in [/quote] There are tons of houses for sale so why build more? Because a mojority of the ones they will be building will be social housing for people on low or non existant incomes. Why did they ever sell off the old council houses, they should have been a stop gap for people to sort themselves out and then go on to buy a house, thus freeing up the council house for the next family. Not selling them off cheap to tenents who then sell them on for extortionate prices![/quote] You seem to be under the impression that everybody wants to buy a house, I am sorry but that is not the case this country is one of the few where people are obsessed with the idea that owning your own house is the be all & end all this has been brought about by the idea that property is an investment & that is what has caused our current problems people should stop thinking that buying property is about making money & instead think of it as a home.
smiler wrote:
angry mob wrote:
why am i allways right wrote: Just move on we need houses to be built.This seems to be a not in my back yard thing.you Can not stop progress.Stop liveing in the past and start helping this county to move on.I would imagine all those who are going to protest next week will all have somewhere to live and love the wonderfull green fields just growing grass and doing nothing.MOVE ON
so we NEED houses do we? I don't notice all those that are currently for sale 'rushing off the shelves'. That aside, you seem to be totally ignoring the fact that there will be no changes made to the supporting infrastructure, our roads are already beyond capacity, where will all the children go to school? Where will all these people find jobs? etc etc etc The arguments are perfectly valid even for those whose back yard this proposed development is NOT in
There are tons of houses for sale so why build more? Because a mojority of the ones they will be building will be social housing for people on low or non existant incomes. Why did they ever sell off the old council houses, they should have been a stop gap for people to sort themselves out and then go on to buy a house, thus freeing up the council house for the next family. Not selling them off cheap to tenents who then sell them on for extortionate prices!
You seem to be under the impression that everybody wants to buy a house, I am sorry but that is not the case this country is one of the few where people are obsessed with the idea that owning your own house is the be all & end all this has been brought about by the idea that property is an investment & that is what has caused our current problems people should stop thinking that buying property is about making money & instead think of it as a home.
Posted by: bazza, Bournemouth on 6:59pm Mon 8 Sep 08
There is only one reason for building on this scale; Labours policy of immigration immigration
immigration.
Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch has issued warnings about the scale of building required if immigration is not limited. We will need to build a town the size of Birmingham every three years.
Lets hope Hazel Blears and the Labour government are removed before they can implement their plan to make the United Kingdom the most densely populated nation in Europe.
There is only one reason for building on this scale; Labours policy of immigration immigration
immigration.
Sir Andrew Green of Migration Watch has issued warnings about the scale of building required if immigration is not limited. We will need to build a town the size of Birmingham every three years.
Lets hope Hazel Blears and the Labour government are removed before they can implement their plan to make the United Kingdom the most densely populated nation in Europe.
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 12:01pm Tue 9 Sep 08
[bold]As I have said before[/bold] :
Such problems [bold]would not arise[/bold] if UK Gov were to get [bold]its act together[/bold] and follow the [bold]example[/bold] of the Hong Kong and China Government.
There they have built an Internationally famous Airport off of Hong Kong's coast line on rubbish waste from main land China.
[bold]We have a waste disposal problem so we are all told,[/bold] so why not combine the two and Turn Junk into [bold]Billion Pound land Space?[/bold]
Instead of [bold]wasting[/bold] good arable farming land for [bold]landfill[/bold] sites and gravel extraction Use the waste to shore up our [bold]sea defences[/bold] which are eroding fast.
[bold]Don't waste rubbish use it[/bold] for good intent. Also [bold]Gravel Extraction[/bold] from good arable farming land is [bold]irreversible[/bold] destruction. Thus making the UK become more and [bold]more reliant[/bold] on foreign [bold]imported foods[/bold] which is an extremely bad policy.
Labours continuous [bold]disregard[/bold] for our countryside is [bold]very concerning.[/bold]
[bold]Over-development[/bold] by building as close as one can, often eventually leads to a [bold]breakdown[/bold] in community welfare with[bold] conflicts[/bold] leading to serious breakdowns in [bold]Law and Order.[/bold] Parking and noise being the most common.
And don't go [bold]whining[/bold] on about Toxic Wastes and I wouldn't want to live on it, etc.
[bold]Because[/bold] if they can build one of the [bold]largest Airports in the world[/bold] on waste and also build and sell [bold]Mufti Million Pound Condos[/bold] with Marinas, etc. [bold]Then so should Britain[/bold] but the [bold]lack of ability as to management skills[/bold] is dire in UK Gov [bold]totally missing[/bold] and reliant on foreign intervention all the time.
As I have said before :
Such problems would not arise if UK Gov were to get its act together and follow the example of the Hong Kong and China Government.
There they have built an Internationally famous Airport off of Hong Kong's coast line on rubbish waste from main land China.
We have a waste disposal problem so we are all told, so why not combine the two and Turn Junk into Billion Pound land Space?
Instead of wasting good arable farming land for landfill sites and gravel extraction Use the waste to shore up our sea defences which are eroding fast.
Don't waste rubbish use it for good intent. Also Gravel Extraction from good arable farming land is irreversible destruction. Thus making the UK become more and more reliant on foreign imported foods which is an extremely bad policy.
Labours continuous disregard for our countryside is very concerning.
Over-development by building as close as one can, often eventually leads to a breakdown in community welfare with conflicts leading to serious breakdowns in Law and Order. Parking and noise being the most common.
And don't go whining on about Toxic Wastes and I wouldn't want to live on it, etc.
Because if they can build one of the largest Airports in the world on waste and also build and sell Mufti Million Pound Condos with Marinas, etc. Then so should Britain but the lack of ability as to management skills is dire in UK Gov totally missing and reliant on foreign intervention all the time.
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 1:15pm Tue 9 Sep 08
The arguments about the rights and wrongs development per se are a distraction from the real issue which is the way that the democratically expressed will of the people is being ignored and trampled into the dirt.
If we need housing in the local area, then it is for local democratically elected representatives to decide what form this should take. People taking these decisions need to know the character of locations, they need to understand the social and environmental impact that developments will have.
No-one that we have actually elected supports any of this.
Blears is just sat in her office in Westminster ticking boxes and frankly couldn't give two hoots about what damage it causes to people and communities in areas that where there are no votes for her party anyway!!
If the government will not respect the democratic process then people need to take matters into their own hands.
The arguments about the rights and wrongs development per se are a distraction from the real issue which is the way that the democratically expressed will of the people is being ignored and trampled into the dirt.
If we need housing in the local area, then it is for local democratically elected representatives to decide what form this should take. People taking these decisions need to know the character of locations, they need to understand the social and environmental impact that developments will have.
No-one that we have actually elected supports any of this.
Blears is just sat in her office in Westminster ticking boxes and frankly couldn't give two hoots about what damage it causes to people and communities in areas that where there are no votes for her party anyway!!
If the government will not respect the democratic process then people need to take matters into their own hands.
Smiler is absolutely right .. we need more Social Housing. As it happens, I am a director of a Housing Association who's sole raison d'etre is to provide more rented housing for those who cannot afford to buy. Interestingly, a prominent person who lives in the area in question is also a member of our Board. Let's dispense with the [bold]nimbyism[/bold] , shall we?
Smiler is absolutely right .. we need more Social Housing. As it happens, I am a director of a Housing Association who's sole raison d'etre is to provide more rented housing for those who cannot afford to buy. Interestingly, a prominent person who lives in the area in question is also a member of our Board. Let's dispense with the nimbyism , shall we?
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 7:33pm Tue 9 Sep 08
Posted by: Tony Jordan on 4:15pm today
[bold]Quote[/bold] Let's dispense with the nimbyism , shall we?
[bold]Reply[/bold] Trying to [bold]protect[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold] the very environment of which [bold]we depend[/bold] is not [bold]nimbyism[/bold] [italic]is it Tony?[/italic]
[bold]We only have[/bold] [italic]just so much Green Belt[/italic] when that is gone [bold]what next?[/bold]
Are you quite sure we actually need all these new homes as [bold]Baby Boomer's[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold] are dying off rapidly and soon all thier homes will be available [italic]wont they?[/italic]
Had UK Gov done[bold] as I suggested[/bold] use Waste [bold]to create land space[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold] and buffer our rapidly Eroding Shore lines we would have much more available space.
[bold]Developers[/bold] [bold]bold[/bold] just want a [bold]Fast Buck[/bold] at any cost or so it appears.
You seem [bold]not to realise[/bold] that even the[bold] smallest[/bold] of properties can be built affordable so, for those in need [bold]due to high profit margins[/bold] required by developers.
Posted by: Tony Jordan on 4:15pm today
Quote Let's dispense with the nimbyism , shall we?
Reply Trying to protect the very environment of which we depend is not nimbyismis it Tony?
We only havejust so much Green Belt when that is gone what next?
Are you quite sure we actually need all these new homes as Baby Boomer's are dying off rapidly and soon all thier homes will be available wont they?
Had UK Gov done as I suggested use Waste to create land space and buffer our rapidly Eroding Shore lines we would have much more available space.
Developers just want a Fast Buck at any cost or so it appears.
You seem not to realise that even the smallest of properties can be built affordable so, for those in need due to high profit margins required by developers.
Posted by: arendea, southbourne on 11:55pm Tue 9 Sep 08
[quote][bold]JON[/bold] wrote:
I bet Dave Wells will keep well away![/quote] If the housing developments go ahead maybe Mr Carr could give it another go?! ;0)
JON wrote:
I bet Dave Wells will keep well away!
If the housing developments go ahead maybe Mr Carr could give it another go?! ;0)
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