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SIXTY-THREE per cent of voters in an Echo web poll don't believe God performs miracles.
The poll was held following the claim that two women living in the same street had been given gold teeth as "gifts from God" after a home prayer meeting.
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9:28am Friday 18th July 2008
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CommentPosted by: skysurfer, Bournemouth on 12:37pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Nick - what kind of poll was this?
Was it based on the comments response tally or were people specifically asked to vote?
What surprises me is that more than a third of people do believe - in this context that God is a cosmic dentist.
As always these surveys mean little because they are so vague.
Define miracle.
Define God.
Would the results have been different I wonder if the question was "Do anomalous events sometimes happen which physics has not yet understood?"
My take on it is that there are no miracles in the sense that they are supernatural.
Everything is natural - meaning no magic, just a universe that may take us probably millions of years to fathom[bold]bold[/bold] . (See my comments below main story)
And I have to ask - when is there going to be a proper in-depth journalistic investigation of this case?
Isn't that what newspapers are for?
Nick - what kind of poll was this?
Was it based on the comments response tally or were people specifically asked to vote?
What surprises me is that more than a third of people do believe - in this context that God is a cosmic dentist.
As always these surveys mean little because they are so vague.
Define miracle.
Define God.
Would the results have been different I wonder if the question was "Do anomalous events sometimes happen which physics has not yet understood?"
My take on it is that there are no miracles in the sense that they are supernatural.
Everything is natural - meaning no magic, just a universe that may take us probably millions of years to fathom . (See my comments below main story)
And I have to ask - when is there going to be a proper in-depth journalistic investigation of this case?
Isn't that what newspapers are for?
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 12:48pm Fri 18 Jul 08
I went onto Yahoo's search engine and typed "gold teeth god miracle" and there are loads of stories like this one. So it's not a new idea, sorry miracle, its obviously been bandied around for years.
This was from one site:
"Why would God fill people's teeth with gold? Perhaps because He loves them and delights in blessing His children. Perhaps it is a sign and a wonder to expose the skepticism still in so many of us. Perhaps His glory and presence are drawing very near.
On Wednesday evening March 3rd, 1999 miracles began happening in people’s teeth. By Thursday evening, over 50 people were on the platform at Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship testifying to having received what appeared to be gold or bright silver fillings or crowns, which they believed had supernaturally appeared in their mouths after receiving prayer during the Intercession Conference. Many received one, two, three or more, and in some cases up to ten changed fillings! On the Saturday night of the conference, there were 198 on the platform saying that God had given them a dental miracle. By Sunday night, well over 300 people were testifying to this unusual sign. Testimonies, even now, are continuing to pour in."
Mass hypnosis and sheep like behaviour?
I went onto Yahoo's search engine and typed "gold teeth god miracle" and there are loads of stories like this one. So it's not a new idea, sorry miracle, its obviously been bandied around for years.
This was from one site:
"Why would God fill people's teeth with gold? Perhaps because He loves them and delights in blessing His children. Perhaps it is a sign and a wonder to expose the skepticism still in so many of us. Perhaps His glory and presence are drawing very near.
On Wednesday evening March 3rd, 1999 miracles began happening in people’s teeth. By Thursday evening, over 50 people were on the platform at Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship testifying to having received what appeared to be gold or bright silver fillings or crowns, which they believed had supernaturally appeared in their mouths after receiving prayer during the Intercession Conference. Many received one, two, three or more, and in some cases up to ten changed fillings! On the Saturday night of the conference, there were 198 on the platform saying that God had given them a dental miracle. By Sunday night, well over 300 people were testifying to this unusual sign. Testimonies, even now, are continuing to pour in."
Mass hypnosis and sheep like behaviour?
Posted by: silver1, bournemouth on 2:23pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Come on Echo, please do a credible journalistic investigation.
Come on Echo, please do a credible journalistic investigation.
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 3:51pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Perhaps the title should have been, [bold]MIRACLE OR CON TRICK ?[/bold]
Perhaps the title should have been,
MIRACLE OR CON TRICK ?
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 4:19pm Fri 18 Jul 08
We must not grind ourselves into this, at the time it was a story that you could get your teeth into. Gold or White.
Perhaps a new NHS dentist had been opened by a defrocked man of the cloth.
lol lol lol
We must not grind ourselves into this, at the time it was a story that you could get your teeth into. Gold or White.
Perhaps a new NHS dentist had been opened by a defrocked man of the cloth.
lol lol lol
Posted by: Ipogiman, Bournemouth on 4:57pm Fri 18 Jul 08
What sort of a hair brained poll is this?
Asking people who don't believe if they believe in God performing miracles?.. It's a fix, guv!
Perhaps the poll would be more realistic if they asked people who actually go to church whether or not they believed in miracles. At least then we'd have a clearer idea of where the church stood on this matter.
What sort of a hair brained poll is this?
Asking people who don't believe if they believe in God performing miracles?.. It's a fix, guv!
Perhaps the poll would be more realistic if they asked people who actually go to church whether or not they believed in miracles. At least then we'd have a clearer idea of where the church stood on this matter.
Posted by: the owl, Bere van no 10 on 5:04pm Fri 18 Jul 08
My wife and I went to a dentist in Dorchester the new one ” I want an extraction I said but no pain killers or needles just yank it out” You're certainly a very brave man," the dentist said. "Which tooth is it?" I turned to my wife and said, "Show him your tooth dear”.
My wife and I went to a dentist in Dorchester the new one ” I want an extraction I said but no pain killers or needles just yank it out” You're certainly a very brave man," the dentist said. "Which tooth is it?" I turned to my wife and said, "Show him your tooth dear”.
Posted by: Jonny, Alum Chine on 5:11pm Fri 18 Jul 08
lol
Posted by: dancingdog777, Christchurch on 6:14pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Despite the poll results I can catergoricaly state that God has performed miracles for me. He has, variously, supplied extra food when we'd run out of money, provided new clothing, even actual cash.
If you don't believe in God, then why would He want to help you?
Instead pray to Him and believe and ask Him to prove himself to you.
Just say "Dear Heavenly Father, please forgive me for the wrongs that I have done! I'm sorry, and I want to receive You into my heart through the Love of Your Son, Jesus. Help me to love You and others so that I can be happy and make others happy. Teach me more about You from Your wonderful Book, the Bible. In the name of Jesus, Your Son, amen."
If you've said that prayer with sincerity and honesty, Jesus has come into your heart, because He's promised to do so! He said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if anyone will open the door I will come in and have loving fellowship with them."--Revelation 3:20.
Or are you afraid?
Despite the poll results I can catergoricaly state that God has performed miracles for me. He has, variously, supplied extra food when we'd run out of money, provided new clothing, even actual cash.
If you don't believe in God, then why would He want to help you?
Instead pray to Him and believe and ask Him to prove himself to you.
Just say "Dear Heavenly Father, please forgive me for the wrongs that I have done! I'm sorry, and I want to receive You into my heart through the Love of Your Son, Jesus. Help me to love You and others so that I can be happy and make others happy. Teach me more about You from Your wonderful Book, the Bible. In the name of Jesus, Your Son, amen."
If you've said that prayer with sincerity and honesty, Jesus has come into your heart, because He's promised to do so! He said, "Behold, I stand at the door and knock, if anyone will open the door I will come in and have loving fellowship with them."--Revelation 3:20.
Or are you afraid?
Posted by: Mike Pickering, Bournemouth on 6:47pm Fri 18 Jul 08
That prayer simply doesnt work, as this morning I prayed that the church would cash in it's worldy goods and real estate for the billions of pounds that it's worth, and give that money to the poor and sick, and yet it appears not to have happened.
That prayer simply doesnt work, as this morning I prayed that the church would cash in it's worldy goods and real estate for the billions of pounds that it's worth, and give that money to the poor and sick, and yet it appears not to have happened.
Posted by: DanielP, Bournemouth on 8:28pm Fri 18 Jul 08
The 37% of people who believe God does work miracles, myself included, roughly coheres to the 33% of world adherents to Christianity.
Therefore I am sure that as the entire original article was looking at miracles from a Christian perspective, the results are justified.
The 37% of people who believe God does work miracles, myself included, roughly coheres to the 33% of world adherents to Christianity.
Therefore I am sure that as the entire original article was looking at miracles from a Christian perspective, the results are justified.
Posted by: the owl, caravan 9 on 8:56pm Fri 18 Jul 08
Prayer patially works every night i pray for a newer car than this one (orange allegro 1979) and all I ever get when I wake is a horn.
Prayer patially works every night i pray for a newer car than this one (orange allegro 1979) and all I ever get when I wake is a horn.
Posted by: freefall, Poole on 7:29am Sat 19 Jul 08
LOL..tut tut Owly!!!
Sorry but I still think these people are fraudulently conning poor deluded old ladies and yet, they still believe!!!
Where is this so called God when our brave guys are getting blown apart in Afghanistan and Iraq..If He stood in front of me I still wouldn,t believe in him...what a barrel of Siera Hotel One Tango!!!
LOL..tut tut Owly!!!
Sorry but I still think these people are fraudulently conning poor deluded old ladies and yet, they still believe!!!
Where is this so called God when our brave guys are getting blown apart in Afghanistan and Iraq..If He stood in front of me I still wouldn,t believe in him...what a barrel of Siera Hotel One Tango!!!
Posted by: dancingdog777, Christchurch on 11:50am Sat 19 Jul 08
In answer to Owl,The Lord is trying to be as good to us as possible!--He will give you whatever you want that's good for you, because He loves you. The Bible promises, "No good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly!" (Psa.84:11)
But sometimes, the Bible tells us, we have not because we ask not. (Jam.4:2)--So if you really need something, pray it in!--Pray for it! Just be careful what you ask the Lord to do, because He'll often take you literally! The Lord will take you exactly at your word and your faith!
The true story is told of a certain preacher who prayed, "Lord, give me a car, I need a car, I'm desperate for a car, Lord--any old car!" And that's exactly what he got, exactly what he asked for--a real clunker! He said, "Next time I prayed for a good car, and I got it!" God is very definite, so be definite with Him! He says, "Command ye Me!" (Isa.45:11) He'll give you what you ask for, and certainly what you have the faith for! That's the way the Lord blesses if you trust Him, if you please Him, if you follow Him, if you obey Him.
God will give you what you have faith for, and you should have faith for what you need. If the need is there, the answer must be there too, so just look around and pray it in!
In answer to Owl,The Lord is trying to be as good to us as possible!--He will give you whatever you want that's good for you, because He loves you. The Bible promises, "No good thing will He withhold from them that walk uprightly!" (Psa.84:11)
But sometimes, the Bible tells us, we have not because we ask not. (Jam.4:2)--So if you really need something, pray it in!--Pray for it! Just be careful what you ask the Lord to do, because He'll often take you literally! The Lord will take you exactly at your word and your faith!
The true story is told of a certain preacher who prayed, "Lord, give me a car, I need a car, I'm desperate for a car, Lord--any old car!" And that's exactly what he got, exactly what he asked for--a real clunker! He said, "Next time I prayed for a good car, and I got it!" God is very definite, so be definite with Him! He says, "Command ye Me!" (Isa.45:11) He'll give you what you ask for, and certainly what you have the faith for! That's the way the Lord blesses if you trust Him, if you please Him, if you follow Him, if you obey Him.
God will give you what you have faith for, and you should have faith for what you need. If the need is there, the answer must be there too, so just look around and pray it in!
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