Parking Mad stories
PUPIL INJURED
A BOY of 11 was injured outside his school where parents were parked illegally on zig-zag lines, police have said.
It is the latest in a spate of incidents outside schools which prompted the Daily Echo to start its Parking Mad campaign.
The accident at Stourfield Junior School, Cranleigh Road, Southbourne, left the boy with pains in his back, neck and hip.
It happened at 8.40am as parents delivered children to the busy school site and was described by police as "a classic example of why zig-zag lines exist and why traffic markings are put in place outside schools".
A spokesman added: "Every driver should adhere to them to prevent these unnecessary collisions."
Headteacher Emma Rowson said: "I can confirm a junior school pupil was taken to hospital in an ambulance." But she said she could not confirm the incident had anything to do with illegal parking.
"We have been round to talk to the year six pupils about it. They have been very sensible and they have sent him a get well' card," she added.
"We do have problems with parking outside the school on occasions and we have said before there should be a 20mph limit."
South Western Ambulance service said the boy was put in a neck brace and taken on a spinal board to Poole Hospital, where it was understood he would be kept overnight.
As a result of yesterday's accident, a car was taken away by police for examination.
Officers are also trying to trace the driver of a white panel van which damaged the wing mirrors of an ambulance at the scene and failed to stop.
Just three months ago, inconsiderate parking by parents at the same school delayed an ambulance trying to reach a man having a heart attack.
The man, the grandfather of a pupil, collapsed in the school car park but the ambulance had difficulty getting to him because of the way people had parked.
And in October last year, a parent was injured in a collision with a car just outside the school gates.
The Daily Echo's Parking Mad campaign, which began in June last year, has encouraged the council to crack down on the problem.
7:00am Wednesday 19th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: muffin the mule, wallisdown on 7:07am Wed 19 Mar 08
we know all about the problem but when are the authorities going to work on the solution - why the reluctance to tackle it and start prosecuting these idiots ?
we know all about the problem but when are the authorities going to work on the solution - why the reluctance to tackle it and start prosecuting these idiots ?
Posted by: yvonne tomasso, sturminster newton on 7:22am Wed 19 Mar 08
As an ex teaching assistant who had the duty of policing parked cars at the end of the day, unless this actually happens to their child parents will always be inconsiderate and abusive when you explain why they shouldn't park where they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As an ex teaching assistant who had the duty of policing parked cars at the end of the day, unless this actually happens to their child parents will always be inconsiderate and abusive when you explain why they shouldn't park where they do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: oscar99, bournemouth on 7:25am Wed 19 Mar 08
a boy getting run over a van smashing ambulance wing mirrors and not stopping dont think i would want to drop my child off there sounds like death and carnage
a boy getting run over a van smashing ambulance wing mirrors and not stopping dont think i would want to drop my child off there sounds like death and carnage
Posted by: alasdair, windsor/kosovo on 7:44am Wed 19 Mar 08
simple solution if the cars are illegally parked remove them then crush them simple people will soon get the message
simple solution if the cars are illegally parked remove them then crush them simple people will soon get the message
Posted by: alasdair, windsor/kosovo on 7:50am Wed 19 Mar 08
ok maybe crushing is a bit of overkill but have a clamping team dedicated to doing spot checks on schools all across the borough if cars are illegally parked clamp them once a few people have had this done and have been hit with release fees attitudes will soon change
ok maybe crushing is a bit of overkill but have a clamping team dedicated to doing spot checks on schools all across the borough if cars are illegally parked clamp them once a few people have had this done and have been hit with release fees attitudes will soon change
Posted by: Domob, Bournemouth on 7:57am Wed 19 Mar 08
Forget double yellow lines...In London they have red lines which are policed by cctv. If you stop on them for even a minute, you get a fine come through the post. I think that the councils target motorists unfairly as a rule but in certain circumstances like this I think most would agree that it could be justified targeting selfish motorists.
Forget double yellow lines...In London they have red lines which are policed by cctv. If you stop on them for even a minute, you get a fine come through the post. I think that the councils target motorists unfairly as a rule but in certain circumstances like this I think most would agree that it could be justified targeting selfish motorists.
Posted by: enid, Bournemouth on 8:14am Wed 19 Mar 08
Yes, prosecute them with a hefty fine or impound the cars for a few days. Word will soon spread amongst the parents and solve the problem. But this needs to be done on a regular basis as they'll soon start sneaking back again.
Yes, prosecute them with a hefty fine or impound the cars for a few days. Word will soon spread amongst the parents and solve the problem. But this needs to be done on a regular basis as they'll soon start sneaking back again.
Posted by: mccherry, dorset on 8:20am Wed 19 Mar 08
I dont understand how the issue of parking has become such a big issue . Quite simply if cars are parked illegaly then the police (not reserves or traffic wardens) should issue parking tickets . If parents choose to be abusive then they should be arrested and charged .I beleive this is known as "law enforcement" .
I dont understand how the issue of parking has become such a big issue . Quite simply if cars are parked illegaly then the police (not reserves or traffic wardens) should issue parking tickets . If parents choose to be abusive then they should be arrested and charged .I beleive this is known as "law enforcement" .
Posted by: fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 9:06am Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Domob[/bold] wrote:
Forget double yellow lines...In London they have red lines which are policed by cctv. If you stop on them for even a minute, you get a fine come through the post. I think that the councils target motorists unfairly as a rule but in certain circumstances like this I think most would agree that it could be justified targeting selfish motorists.[/quote] Brilliant idea - come on Council Jobsworths, do something useful for a change!
Domob wrote:
Forget double yellow lines...In London they have red lines which are policed by cctv. If you stop on them for even a minute, you get a fine come through the post. I think that the councils target motorists unfairly as a rule but in certain circumstances like this I think most would agree that it could be justified targeting selfish motorists.
Brilliant idea - come on Council Jobsworths, do something useful for a change!
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 9:41am Wed 19 Mar 08
Kids, oh what's the matter with kids today
Kids, oh what's the matter with kids today
Why can't they be like we were
[bold]Perfect[/bold] ! in every way
Ohhhhhhh what's the matterrr with kids todayyyyyyyyy.
Kids, oh what's the matter with kids today
Kids, oh what's the matter with kids today
Why can't they be like we were
Perfect ! in every way
Ohhhhhhh what's the matterrr with kids todayyyyyyyyy.
Posted by: susannah, Bournemouth on 10:47am Wed 19 Mar 08
I have a child at Stourfield and was there around the time of the incident, I agree that the driver should not have parked on the zig zags, however, I must point out that this happened about 20 yards from a safe crossing with a lollypop man working there. Is there not some blame in people ignoring the crossing and running across the road to save a few seconds?
I have a child at Stourfield and was there around the time of the incident, I agree that the driver should not have parked on the zig zags, however, I must point out that this happened about 20 yards from a safe crossing with a lollypop man working there. Is there not some blame in people ignoring the crossing and running across the road to save a few seconds?
Posted by: Mum of three, Bournemouth on 10:48am Wed 19 Mar 08
A simple solution is to either walk your kids to school, or let them walk in a large group if they are old enough. Or leave early enough and park away from the school and walk a little way.
Parking and dropping off outside school gates should not be allowed full stop.
A simple solution is to either walk your kids to school, or let them walk in a large group if they are old enough. Or leave early enough and park away from the school and walk a little way.
Parking and dropping off outside school gates should not be allowed full stop.
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 10:53am Wed 19 Mar 08
fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 9:57am today
Yes, I did read the article No, it is not drivers like me who cause the problem.
fedupwithjobsworths, Moordown on 9:57am today
Yes, I did read the article No, it is not drivers like me who cause the problem.
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 10:57am Wed 19 Mar 08
Mum of three, Bournemouth on 10:48am today
As a mum would you not like to see all schools provide off road safe design drop off and pick up areas? Surely the public road is not the place to do this, especially where they are in heavy usage.
Hugh sums of money have been put into schools so lack of cash cannot be an excuse.
Mum of three, Bournemouth on 10:48am today
As a mum would you not like to see all schools provide off road safe design drop off and pick up areas? Surely the public road is not the place to do this, especially where they are in heavy usage.
Hugh sums of money have been put into schools so lack of cash cannot be an excuse.
Posted by: denis, bournemouth on 11:11am Wed 19 Mar 08
Some of these replies typify the apathy shown by some drivers. 'It's not my fault!!' 'I park away from the school'.
Stourfield Junior School is particularly vunerable as the entrance is next to a narrow road bridge and there is a bend in the road from both directions. Parents are responsible, whether they are drivers or not, for getting their children to school safely and that responsibility must extend to other children's safety.
As for the white van driver who damaged the ambulance mirrors, I have nothing but comtempt for such actions.
Some of these replies typify the apathy shown by some drivers. 'It's not my fault!!' 'I park away from the school'.
Stourfield Junior School is particularly vunerable as the entrance is next to a narrow road bridge and there is a bend in the road from both directions. Parents are responsible, whether they are drivers or not, for getting their children to school safely and that responsibility must extend to other children's safety.
As for the white van driver who damaged the ambulance mirrors, I have nothing but comtempt for such actions.
Posted by: cazz, poole on 11:35am Wed 19 Mar 08
my son goes to canford heath school in poole and we have the same problem.i was blocked in only a few weeks ago by an igorant mother for 35 minutes ,because every day she blocks people in ,when i said to her i was going to be late for my daughter she said oh well and told me to get a live .i spoke with poole borough council today and they basically told me there was nothing they could to do ,so who do you turn to ? when will they act when somebody is killed ?seam a right cop out to me .
my son goes to canford heath school in poole and we have the same problem.i was blocked in only a few weeks ago by an igorant mother for 35 minutes ,because every day she blocks people in ,when i said to her i was going to be late for my daughter she said oh well and told me to get a live .i spoke with poole borough council today and they basically told me there was nothing they could to do ,so who do you turn to ? when will they act when somebody is killed ?seam a right cop out to me .
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 12:33pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Jim, Southbourne on 11:53am today
Ignorant in what way? ... please justify your abuse or withdraw it.
Jim, Southbourne on 11:53am today
Ignorant in what way? ... please justify your abuse or withdraw it.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 12:49pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Get of your high horse Hannah,who on earth do think you are,as has been said before YOU were not there,so you do not know exactly what happened,it just gave you a chance to mouth off on another subject,womans lib style,all "girls" together.
Get of your high horse Hannah,who on earth do think you are,as has been said before YOU were not there,so you do not know exactly what happened,it just gave you a chance to mouth off on another subject,womans lib style,all "girls" together.
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 1:16pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Thank you for your male views on my comment, which you obviously have not read with any understanding at all.
I still await Jim's justification or retraction of his abuse of me.
I'm off to work now so insult me all you want, I shall not be here!
You regulars really do not like a newcomer on your threads do you?
Thank you for your male views on my comment, which you obviously have not read with any understanding at all.
I still await Jim's justification or retraction of his abuse of me.
I'm off to work now so insult me all you want, I shall not be here!
You regulars really do not like a newcomer on your threads do you?
Posted by: PokesdownMark, Pokesdown on 1:19pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Susannah rightly points out that trying to put 100% blame on any one person for this is silly. Bad parking? bad driving? bad crossing?... all 3 will be involved in any incident. Its plain unhelpful to focus on just one.
The diversion at Iford Lane is sending traffic past this school. Drivers who are not familiar with this road at school rush times. Thats probably a more significant factor - especially for the silly driver of the van. No doubt having been held up enroute. Though that is no excuse.
Susannah rightly points out that trying to put 100% blame on any one person for this is silly. Bad parking? bad driving? bad crossing?... all 3 will be involved in any incident. Its plain unhelpful to focus on just one.
The diversion at Iford Lane is sending traffic past this school. Drivers who are not familiar with this road at school rush times. Thats probably a more significant factor - especially for the silly driver of the van. No doubt having been held up enroute. Though that is no excuse.
Posted by: Jim, Southbourne on 1:24pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[bold]ignorant[/bold] [italic]adj[/italic] lacking knowledge; uninformed, uneducated; resulting from or showing lack of knowledge.
Is that enough or would you prefer that I specifically point out the ignorant parts of your comments.
ignorant adj lacking knowledge; uninformed, uneducated; resulting from or showing lack of knowledge.
Is that enough or would you prefer that I specifically point out the ignorant parts of your comments.
Posted by: Jim, Southbourne on 1:26pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Oh and for the record, I'm new too!
I found it all pretty distressing yesterday and your comments got so far up my nose that I thought it appropriate to reply.
Or was that the intention.
Oh and for the record, I'm new too!
I found it all pretty distressing yesterday and your comments got so far up my nose that I thought it appropriate to reply.
Or was that the intention.
Posted by: AndyC, Bournemouth on 1:27pm Wed 19 Mar 08
It is very simple. It is wrong to break the law.
Illegal parking is breaking the law.
Illegal parking is wrong.
It is very simple. It is wrong to break the law.
Illegal parking is breaking the law.
Illegal parking is wrong.
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 1:30pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Jim, Southbourne on 1:24pm today
I prefer that you specifically point out any ignorant parts of my comments.
I shall inspect your attempts when I return this evening.
Jim, Southbourne on 1:24pm today
I prefer that you specifically point out any ignorant parts of my comments.
I shall inspect your attempts when I return this evening.
Posted by: Jim, Southbourne on 1:38pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Ah just a Wind-Up Merchant then.
Very good, well done, objective achieved.
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
Ah just a Wind-Up Merchant then.
Very good, well done, objective achieved.
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
Posted by: Nigel Blumenthal, lurking outside a school, on 1:54pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Jim and Hannah:
The behaviour that both of you are exhibiting would cause a teacher at any school to despair. I suppose the phrase "constructive debate" is pretty foreign.
For the record, parking on zigzags is illegal. End of. And for pretty good reason - cars parked close to a crossing block the view of drivers approaching a crossing, who cannot see if anyone is starting to cross.
But there's usually more than one contributory factor in a pedestrian/car meeting (I don't use the word "accident" because it's inappropriate). Possibly the child was not looking. Possibly (s)he was crossing in a place where he or she should not have been. And, as people have pointed out, road/school design is a big issue here. When a school is built, the authorities [italic]know[/italic] that it will generate traffic, and that people will want to drop off and pick up. So why the heck hasn't the school, or the local authority, or someone, made provision for a "kiss-and-drop" area on school property?
As I said, responsibility is shared here, and the Echo's campaign, though noble in intent, is ignoring at least half of the problem.
And before either of you newbies - welcome, by the way - wonder about my location, I usually try to find something other than a straight place name.
Jim and Hannah:
The behaviour that both of you are exhibiting would cause a teacher at any school to despair. I suppose the phrase "constructive debate" is pretty foreign.
For the record, parking on zigzags is illegal. End of. And for pretty good reason - cars parked close to a crossing block the view of drivers approaching a crossing, who cannot see if anyone is starting to cross.
But there's usually more than one contributory factor in a pedestrian/car meeting (I don't use the word "accident" because it's inappropriate). Possibly the child was not looking. Possibly (s)he was crossing in a place where he or she should not have been. And, as people have pointed out, road/school design is a big issue here. When a school is built, the authorities
know that it will generate traffic, and that people will want to drop off and pick up. So why the heck hasn't the school, or the local authority, or someone, made provision for a "kiss-and-drop" area on school property?
As I said, responsibility is shared here, and the Echo's campaign, though noble in intent, is ignoring at least half of the problem.
And before either of you newbies - welcome, by the way - wonder about my location, I usually try to find something other than a straight place name.
Posted by: simon, bournemouth on 1:58pm Wed 19 Mar 08
the headteacher couldnt confirm this incedent had anything to do with illigal parking, nor has anyone else said that. The references to the incedent further down the story DO refer to illigal parking perhaps becuase they are obstruction matters. Ys i admit that a van is being cated due to an incdent with the ambulance, but that could be due to bad driving by the van. The poor chap who appears to be hit, may well have been the result of the vehicle speeding. That has NOTHING to do with parking. The echo reports things in a manner the highlights its perseverence with its campaigns. Tis one is parking, we also regularly have bycles and bycles with out lights being targeted. There are thousands of cars in the town and rubbish roads, and no parking facilites anywhere. I refere again to Queens Park Junior school which my daughter attended. On occasion (fridays) i would drive to school and pick her up. There is litterally nowhere to park, and she couldnt walk home as she was too little to do this on here own. Most people who cmment on these pages proabaly havent had children at school for years and years, and when they did the roads were quiet, here was little traffic. I used to walk to primary school myself, however this was 20 years ago, and in a tiny village with no cars. Bournemouth is simply not like this. Its a hugely growing town in terms of pupil numbers and traffic, and so parking has to be provided. Daft idea perhaps, but many of the school playgrounds lay empty till morning playtime. Could these be used as mini (stewarded) car parks? Either way, the echo writes an unbalanced report, and most people start asking for cars to be clamped and towed. You all fall for it eveytime, and just heap the blame on the drivers as usual. (speeding yes - as is the story - parking, no - we're not always.)
the headteacher couldnt confirm this incedent had anything to do with illigal parking, nor has anyone else said that. The references to the incedent further down the story DO refer to illigal parking perhaps becuase they are obstruction matters. Ys i admit that a van is being cated due to an incdent with the ambulance, but that could be due to bad driving by the van. The poor chap who appears to be hit, may well have been the result of the vehicle speeding. That has NOTHING to do with parking. The echo reports things in a manner the highlights its perseverence with its campaigns. Tis one is parking, we also regularly have bycles and bycles with out lights being targeted. There are thousands of cars in the town and rubbish roads, and no parking facilites anywhere. I refere again to Queens Park Junior school which my daughter attended. On occasion (fridays) i would drive to school and pick her up. There is litterally nowhere to park, and she couldnt walk home as she was too little to do this on here own. Most people who cmment on these pages proabaly havent had children at school for years and years, and when they did the roads were quiet, here was little traffic. I used to walk to primary school myself, however this was 20 years ago, and in a tiny village with no cars. Bournemouth is simply not like this. Its a hugely growing town in terms of pupil numbers and traffic, and so parking has to be provided. Daft idea perhaps, but many of the school playgrounds lay empty till morning playtime. Could these be used as mini (stewarded) car parks? Either way, the echo writes an unbalanced report, and most people start asking for cars to be clamped and towed. You all fall for it eveytime, and just heap the blame on the drivers as usual. (speeding yes - as is the story - parking, no - we're not always.)
Posted by: simon, bournemouth on 2:00pm Wed 19 Mar 08
im sorry for the terrible spelling by the way, i wrote that rushed and sent it before id re-read it.
im sorry for the terrible spelling by the way, i wrote that rushed and sent it before id re-read it.
Posted by: simon, bournemouth on 2:19pm Wed 19 Mar 08
"a boy of 11 was injured where cars were parked illegaly" Im sure they were parked illegaly, but was this the cause? Police also quote as "this being why zig zag lines exist" but is that the reason? Trust me, it really really doesnt say that bad parking was the reason for this accident. The echo have referenced bad parking in the article but even they are not so daft as to apportion blame where it might not be the case. This young lad could have had his view obstructed by parked cars, but that also might not have been the case. I feel terribly for the young lad, but lets not heap blame on those that might not be to blame.
"a boy of 11 was injured where cars were parked illegaly" Im sure they were parked illegaly, but was this the cause? Police also quote as "this being why zig zag lines exist" but is that the reason? Trust me, it really really doesnt say that bad parking was the reason for this accident. The echo have referenced bad parking in the article but even they are not so daft as to apportion blame where it might not be the case. This young lad could have had his view obstructed by parked cars, but that also might not have been the case. I feel terribly for the young lad, but lets not heap blame on those that might not be to blame.
Posted by: Trifecta, Southbourne on 2:43pm Wed 19 Mar 08
My child is at Stourfield and, as I have pointed out previously, it is always the same parents parking illegally. The ones whom assume that the world revolves around them.
I could give you the registration numbers and even some of the names of people involved, one of whom I know drives ALL the way from Kimberley Road in a 4x4 to drop off their daughter. Husband some days the wife others!!! It beggars belief.
The small grass verge opposite the school has been completely ruined by illegal parking and the drivers then aggressively cut into the queue of traffic, no thought for anybody else except themselves. Especially when it is wet...do these children rust or something?
The other consideration is that Stourfield has a great big free car park, so there is no excuse what so ever at this school to park illegally.
My child is at Stourfield and, as I have pointed out previously, it is always the same parents parking illegally. The ones whom assume that the world revolves around them.
I could give you the registration numbers and even some of the names of people involved, one of whom I know drives ALL the way from Kimberley Road in a 4x4 to drop off their daughter. Husband some days the wife others!!! It beggars belief.
The small grass verge opposite the school has been completely ruined by illegal parking and the drivers then aggressively cut into the queue of traffic, no thought for anybody else except themselves. Especially when it is wet...do these children rust or something?
The other consideration is that Stourfield has a great big free car park, so there is no excuse what so ever at this school to park illegally.
Posted by: Phil, Poole on 3:02pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Jim[/bold] wrote:
Ah just a Wind-Up Merchant then.
Very good, well done, objective achieved.
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
[/quote] Spot on. Don't bother replying to these idiots. The really worrying thing is the thought of someone like 'Hannah' (probably a bloke in reality) being allowed behind the wheel. Scary.
Jim wrote:
Ah just a Wind-Up Merchant then.
Very good, well done, objective achieved.
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
Spot on. Don't bother replying to these idiots. The really worrying thing is the thought of someone like 'Hannah' (probably a bloke in reality) being allowed behind the wheel. Scary.
Posted by: denis, bournemouth on 3:27pm Wed 19 Mar 08
If half as much concern was shown for children around school entrances at the relevant times by ALL concerned as has been put into insulting one another on this column, the world would be a safer place
If half as much concern was shown for children around school entrances at the relevant times by ALL concerned as has been put into insulting one another on this column, the world would be a safer place
Posted by: Christopher, Wallisdown & Winton West on 4:10pm Wed 19 Mar 08
I absolutely agree Denis.
It is easy, if drivers park on zig zag lines at pedestrian crossings or else where, then they are in breach of the Highway Code Rule 191. If this is the case then they should resit their theory test and driving test.
Had the zig zag lines been void of traffic, and a child did wonder on to the road rather than use the pedestrian crossing correctly, other drivers using the road would/should have seen him, and travelling at the correct speed would have been able to stop in time.
So many metres either side of the pedestrian crossing should also have been a warning sign of a school crossing. Even though this is a pedestrian crossing, it should have a school patrol on duty.
School staff should take registrations and report the same to the Police. The school needs to continuously remind parents of the car parking facilities available, and not to use the main road areas. Contact the Council and Road Safety Officers. They can make this road into a No Parking area with yellow lines as well as the zig zag. This was done at the school I worked at.
By the way, hope the little boy is well, and on the mend.
I absolutely agree Denis.
It is easy, if drivers park on zig zag lines at pedestrian crossings or else where, then they are in breach of the Highway Code Rule 191. If this is the case then they should resit their theory test and driving test.
Had the zig zag lines been void of traffic, and a child did wonder on to the road rather than use the pedestrian crossing correctly, other drivers using the road would/should have seen him, and travelling at the correct speed would have been able to stop in time.
So many metres either side of the pedestrian crossing should also have been a warning sign of a school crossing. Even though this is a pedestrian crossing, it should have a school patrol on duty.
School staff should take registrations and report the same to the Police. The school needs to continuously remind parents of the car parking facilities available, and not to use the main road areas. Contact the Council and Road Safety Officers. They can make this road into a No Parking area with yellow lines as well as the zig zag. This was done at the school I worked at.
By the way, hope the little boy is well, and on the mend.
Posted by: rayc, Poole on 4:57pm Wed 19 Mar 08
the head mistress said "we have said before there should be a 20mph limit."
From what has ben said there is so much obstruction that 20mph is not achievable. Is the head mistress calling for an intelligent system operating during school entrance and egress or 24/7?
the head mistress said "we have said before there should be a 20mph limit."
From what has ben said there is so much obstruction that 20mph is not achievable. Is the head mistress calling for an intelligent system operating during school entrance and egress or 24/7?
Posted by: alasdair, windsor/kosovo on 5:27pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]rayc[/bold] wrote:
the head mistress said "we have said before there should be a 20mph limit." From what has ben said there is so much obstruction that 20mph is not achievable. Is the head mistress calling for an intelligent system operating during school entrance and egress or 24/7? [/quote] in my opinion 500 yards either side school should be 20 mph during school hours as i said at the top of this forum cars parked illegally on the zig zags should be clamped and impounded soon stop when it hits where it hurts in the pocket cash wise
rayc wrote:
the head mistress said "we have said before there should be a 20mph limit." From what has ben said there is so much obstruction that 20mph is not achievable. Is the head mistress calling for an intelligent system operating during school entrance and egress or 24/7?
in my opinion 500 yards either side school should be 20 mph during school hours as i said at the top of this forum cars parked illegally on the zig zags should be clamped and impounded soon stop when it hits where it hurts in the pocket cash wise
Posted by: Jon E, Winton on 5:46pm Wed 19 Mar 08
We cannot reasonably expect our children to be fully aware of the dangers of the road at all times, given their age and inexperience.
We can, however, expect car-driving adults to park so that they don't create unnecessary hazards and to drive their cars at safe speeds so that if a child suddenly emerges from between two parked cars they can stop in time.
We cannot reasonably expect our children to be fully aware of the dangers of the road at all times, given their age and inexperience.
We can, however, expect car-driving adults to park so that they don't create unnecessary hazards and to drive their cars at safe speeds so that if a child suddenly emerges from between two parked cars they can stop in time.
Posted by: Jon E, Winton on 5:47pm Wed 19 Mar 08
We cannot reasonably expect our children to be fully aware of the dangers of the road at all times, given their age and inexperience.
We can, however, expect car-driving adults to park so that they don't create unnecessary hazards and to drive their cars at safe speeds so that if a child suddenly emerges from between two parked cars they can stop in time.
We cannot reasonably expect our children to be fully aware of the dangers of the road at all times, given their age and inexperience.
We can, however, expect car-driving adults to park so that they don't create unnecessary hazards and to drive their cars at safe speeds so that if a child suddenly emerges from between two parked cars they can stop in time.
Posted by: Nell, Southbourne on 5:47pm Wed 19 Mar 08
As straight from the mouth of my 6 year old 'he was in the junior school and is old enough to know better!' Like all of us at sometime he made a mistake.
As a parent at Stourfield school I can srongly agree with Trifecta that there are many people who drive their children less than a 1/4 mile to school which leads to unecessary congession.
The school is very supportive of reducing illegal parking. They have a code of practice which it has invited all parents and children to sign up to and frequently remind us all of the need to drive and park responsibly.
Needless to say it is the same people every day who feel that they are above the law.
As straight from the mouth of my 6 year old 'he was in the junior school and is old enough to know better!' Like all of us at sometime he made a mistake.
As a parent at Stourfield school I can srongly agree with Trifecta that there are many people who drive their children less than a 1/4 mile to school which leads to unecessary congession.
The school is very supportive of reducing illegal parking. They have a code of practice which it has invited all parents and children to sign up to and frequently remind us all of the need to drive and park responsibly.
Needless to say it is the same people every day who feel that they are above the law.
Posted by: PETE WOODLEY on 5:50pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Phil[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Jim[/bold] wrote:
Ah just a Wind-Up Merchant then.
Very good, well done, objective achieved.
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
[/quote] Spot on. Don't bother replying to these idiots. The really worrying thing is the thought of someone like 'Hannah' (probably a bloke in reality) being allowed behind the wheel. Scary.[/quote] Phils right Jim,people like Hannah,are not worth a light,he is probably nearly right about it could be a bloke,(see previous comments) Trying a windup,there are a few online.
Phil wrote:
Jim wrote:
Ah just a Wind-Up Merchant then.
Very good, well done, objective achieved.
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
Spot on. Don't bother replying to these idiots. The really worrying thing is the thought of someone like 'Hannah' (probably a bloke in reality) being allowed behind the wheel. Scary.
Phils right Jim,people like Hannah,are not worth a light,he is probably nearly right about it could be a bloke,(see previous comments) Trying a windup,there are a few online.
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 6:13pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Jim, Southbourne on 11:53am today
Hannah your ignorance defies belief
Jim, Southbourne on 1:38pm today
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
So you could not find any ignorance in my comment - how disappointing, good edits are hard to come by.
I have reported your offensive personal abuse. I shall ignore any future post from you.
Poor dim Jim
thought he was good
but could not edit my comment
try as he would
Poor dim Jim.
latest rumour... Jim, Phil and Pete are the same person.
Jim, Southbourne on 11:53am today
Hannah your ignorance defies belief
Jim, Southbourne on 1:38pm today
I've always said that there's always 1 pr1ck in a bunch of roses.
So you could not find any ignorance in my comment - how disappointing, good edits are hard to come by.
I have reported your offensive personal abuse. I shall ignore any future post from you.
Poor dim Jim
thought he was good
but could not edit my comment
try as he would
Poor dim Jim.
latest rumour... Jim, Phil and Pete are the same person.
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 6:20pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Jim, Southbourne on 1:38pm today
I have reconsidered reporting you for unjustified personal abuse and offensive language. I think it best if your posts stay on so that people can see for themselves what you are like.
You really are dim are you not.
Jim, Southbourne on 1:38pm today
I have reconsidered reporting you for unjustified personal abuse and offensive language. I think it best if your posts stay on so that people can see for themselves what you are like.
You really are dim are you not.
Posted by: Jon E, Winton on 6:43pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Getting back to the topic under discussion
As far as I see it there are three factors that contribute to collisions such as these:
1) Inconsiderate parking creating dangerous circumstances
2) A child walking into the road without being fully aware of the traffic
3) A car driving too fast to stop in time
As responsible adults "which I'm sure we all are!) we should
a) not park so as to cause danger
b) educate our children to be alert to the dangers of the road
c) drive at a speed that we can safely stop if the unexpected happens
Anyone like to comment?
Getting back to the topic under discussion
As far as I see it there are three factors that contribute to collisions such as these:
1) Inconsiderate parking creating dangerous circumstances
2) A child walking into the road without being fully aware of the traffic
3) A car driving too fast to stop in time
As responsible adults "which I'm sure we all are!) we should
a) not park so as to cause danger
b) educate our children to be alert to the dangers of the road
c) drive at a speed that we can safely stop if the unexpected happens
Anyone like to comment?
Posted by: mummymaria1, bournemouth on 6:54pm Wed 19 Mar 08
as an ex parent of stourfield school, i would just like to say that "parking around that school is a nightmare, there is a perfectly good car park available to parents" but unfortunatly the chavs think its good to park on double yellow lines in there 4x4's that live in there council houses... and why when schools are only supposed to take children in the catchment area ! (not boscombe) these drivers are so bad at this school you really do need to experience it first hand ! i am so glad that i eventually got my children in to a school in my catchment area and i can now walk !!! (in rain or shine) my heart goes out to the family, and i only hope that something will be done...
may i also add that the council is wasting money on that lolly pop man this also causes a problem... the fact he doesnt even do anything.. just pushes a button...to change the lights... it says it all !
as an ex parent of stourfield school, i would just like to say that "parking around that school is a nightmare, there is a perfectly good car park available to parents" but unfortunatly the chavs think its good to park on double yellow lines in there 4x4's that live in there council houses... and why when schools are only supposed to take children in the catchment area ! (not boscombe) these drivers are so bad at this school you really do need to experience it first hand ! i am so glad that i eventually got my children in to a school in my catchment area and i can now walk !!! (in rain or shine) my heart goes out to the family, and i only hope that something will be done...
may i also add that the council is wasting money on that lolly pop man this also causes a problem... the fact he doesnt even do anything.. just pushes a button...to change the lights... it says it all !
Posted by: Richard, Bournemouth on 6:56pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Hannah[/bold] wrote:
Mum of three, Bournemouth on 10:48am today As a mum would you not like to see all schools provide off road safe design drop off and pick up areas? Surely the public road is not the place to do this, especially where they are in heavy usage. Hugh sums of money have been put into schools so lack of cash cannot be an excuse.[/quote] Why should money aimed for education be used for lazy parents of children to have somewhere to park there totally unnescessary cars, to enable there little darlings off with out having to walk to far. My kids walked to school everyday untill secondary school and then caught the school bus or rode there bike and still do.
Hannah wrote:
Mum of three, Bournemouth on 10:48am today As a mum would you not like to see all schools provide off road safe design drop off and pick up areas? Surely the public road is not the place to do this, especially where they are in heavy usage. Hugh sums of money have been put into schools so lack of cash cannot be an excuse.
Why should money aimed for education be used for lazy parents of children to have somewhere to park there totally unnescessary cars, to enable there little darlings off with out having to walk to far. My kids walked to school everyday untill secondary school and then caught the school bus or rode there bike and still do.
Posted by: Hannah, Bournemouth on 7:31pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Jon E, Winton on 6:43pm today
Your suggestions of a, b, and c are sensible and usually work. But what of the irresponsible minority who refuse to comply. These principles require ongoing supervision and policing, and up to now, do not work as well as they would if everyone was sensible. How do you cope with the irresponsible minority without constant policing and regulating, and ongoing disputes and hostility and the occasional child injury, with all the associate distress and anger.
I favour the commercial bus solution of off road parking (where ever possible) with the Poole bus station herring bone design as an example. It will cost, but we are (supposedly) a rich country.
With the ever increasing heavy usage of the public roads I just do not see how schools can be allowed to continued to use them as a drop off and pick up area in the long term.
In 1955 a boy at my school slipped and a heavy vehicle ran over his leg. The driver was terribly shocked and the poor boy in that terrible instant had his entire life changed as his leg had to be amputated. It really is time this problem of children and traffic was resolved and the emotive aspect pushed to one side. Children and traffic do not mix, and we really do need to act to separate them as much as possible. Blaming drivers is a dangerous diversion from a real long term solution and needs to be stopped.
Never mind the blame... let’s find a long term effective solution.
Jon E, Winton on 6:43pm today
Your suggestions of a, b, and c are sensible and usually work. But what of the irresponsible minority who refuse to comply. These principles require ongoing supervision and policing, and up to now, do not work as well as they would if everyone was sensible. How do you cope with the irresponsible minority without constant policing and regulating, and ongoing disputes and hostility and the occasional child injury, with all the associate distress and anger.
I favour the commercial bus solution of off road parking (where ever possible) with the Poole bus station herring bone design as an example. It will cost, but we are (supposedly) a rich country.
With the ever increasing heavy usage of the public roads I just do not see how schools can be allowed to continued to use them as a drop off and pick up area in the long term.
In 1955 a boy at my school slipped and a heavy vehicle ran over his leg. The driver was terribly shocked and the poor boy in that terrible instant had his entire life changed as his leg had to be amputated. It really is time this problem of children and traffic was resolved and the emotive aspect pushed to one side. Children and traffic do not mix, and we really do need to act to separate them as much as possible. Blaming drivers is a dangerous diversion from a real long term solution and needs to be stopped.
Never mind the blame... let’s find a long term effective solution.
Posted by: Stuart, Southbourne on 8:12pm Wed 19 Mar 08
As a local resident using this stretch of road daily I am not suprised that such an incedent has occured, whilst reading the above their are many veiws, however we must remember that a child nearly lost their life. I agree with the points that Jon E Winto has made, there is a vast UNDERUSED car park at the Beaufort community center, instead parents park along Beaufort/Lingdale roads, creating congestion and narrowing of the road within the area. I recall one morning a traffic wardden stood outside the school and it was meraculas, not one car parked on the zig zag double yellow! Whys that I wonder? Also another point which may be contraversial is the lolly pop man at the crossing, why does he need to control the traffic when there is a perfect crossing system? Im sure he creates a back log of traffic by not letting the lights go in sequence, its funny as he is never there when the kids are on holidays holding up the flow of traffic. Unfortunately I have lived here for 15 years and my family have grown up using the school and this was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Coming past the school tonight there was no change in parents attitudes cars still parked outside.
As a local resident using this stretch of road daily I am not suprised that such an incedent has occured, whilst reading the above their are many veiws, however we must remember that a child nearly lost their life. I agree with the points that Jon E Winto has made, there is a vast UNDERUSED car park at the Beaufort community center, instead parents park along Beaufort/Lingdale roads, creating congestion and narrowing of the road within the area. I recall one morning a traffic wardden stood outside the school and it was meraculas, not one car parked on the zig zag double yellow! Whys that I wonder? Also another point which may be contraversial is the lolly pop man at the crossing, why does he need to control the traffic when there is a perfect crossing system? Im sure he creates a back log of traffic by not letting the lights go in sequence, its funny as he is never there when the kids are on holidays holding up the flow of traffic. Unfortunately I have lived here for 15 years and my family have grown up using the school and this was a ticking time bomb waiting to go off. Coming past the school tonight there was no change in parents attitudes cars still parked outside.
Posted by: Nigel Blumenthal on 9:38pm Wed 19 Mar 08
The curse of "mommies not wanting to walk too far" to drop off their little darlings is universal.
When my wife was principal of a private school in Toronto, she constantly had to deal with a car parking problem, and that was a school that had access to a vast carpark! They implemented a one-way routing through the car park and a drop-off area. Parents were not allowed to park next to the school buildings for security reasons (don't ask, but there were good and valid reasons!). Yet she still had to cope with two or three mommies who routinely ignored either the one-way system or the no-parking area, so that either they or their charming little monsters wouldn't have to walk too far. And the funny part was that many of these women were dropping off the kids on their way to the gym for a workout session !!
The curse of "mommies not wanting to walk too far" to drop off their little darlings is universal.
When my wife was principal of a private school in Toronto, she constantly had to deal with a car parking problem, and that was a school that had access to a vast carpark! They implemented a one-way routing through the car park and a drop-off area. Parents were not allowed to park next to the school buildings for security reasons (don't ask, but there were good and valid reasons!). Yet she still had to cope with two or three mommies who routinely ignored either the one-way system or the no-parking area, so that either they or their charming little monsters wouldn't have to walk too far. And the funny part was that many of these women were dropping off the kids on their way to the gym for a workout session !!
Posted by: Carl Barron, Dorset on 9:53pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[bold]Quote>>[/bold] I favour the commercial bus solution of off road parking (where ever possible) with the Poole bus station herring bone design as an example. It will cost, but we are (supposedly) a rich country.
[bold]Reply>>[/bold] I agree with Hanna. The answer to the problem is simple:
There should be no parking outside schools in High density areas. Dedicated School Busses should be used as in America and other more civilised countries.
If you care about the safety of your children and yourselves, why don't you push for such a service as suggested, and please spare me any comments as to [bold]'What about the Council Tax going up.[/bold] '
Why not [bold]create as before an on line petition,[/bold] This time calling for a duplicate system of Yellow Busses as used in the USA?
[bold]Come on folks. The Echo have been good enough to give a platform, for positive constructive Idea's so lets
stop blaming and get positive.[/bold]
Quote>> I favour the commercial bus solution of off road parking (where ever possible) with the Poole bus station herring bone design as an example. It will cost, but we are (supposedly) a rich country.
Reply>> I agree with Hanna. The answer to the problem is simple:
There should be no parking outside schools in High density areas. Dedicated School Busses should be used as in America and other more civilised countries.
If you care about the safety of your children and yourselves, why don't you push for such a service as suggested, and please spare me any comments as to
'What about the Council Tax going up. '
Why not
create as before an on line petition, This time calling for a duplicate system of Yellow Busses as used in the USA?
Come on folks. The Echo have been good enough to give a platform, for positive constructive Idea's so lets
stop blaming and get positive.
Posted by: bobble212, Christchurch on 10:13pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Maybe if children went to their local school which should be in walking distance of their homes this wouldn't be a problem !! I know a parent who lives across the road from her chosen school but her child didn't get in as she missed a few Sundays at Church. She will now have to get in her huge 4x4 and drive to another school...crazy !!
Maybe if children went to their local school which should be in walking distance of their homes this wouldn't be a problem !! I know a parent who lives across the road from her chosen school but her child didn't get in as she missed a few Sundays at Church. She will now have to get in her huge 4x4 and drive to another school...crazy !!
Posted by: Tan, Bournemouth on 11:18pm Wed 19 Mar 08
I just hope everyone learns from this and the boy and the driver recover from the nasty shock. Thank the Lord it was no worse!
I just hope everyone learns from this and the boy and the driver recover from the nasty shock. Thank the Lord it was no worse!
Posted by: JLC, here on 12:04pm Thu 20 Mar 08
There are lots of cars in the world - there are lots of kids in the world -sometimes the two hit each other.
Why do you all insist on freaking out about cars being parked around schools when the only effect they will have is to slow the traffic. I'd be more worried by a kid trying to cross a road where the cars are doing 40mph.
Also, the vast majority of you are so easily swayed by shoddy journalism. Why not read the article. It quotes separate events and insinuates they happened as one. The "evils" of an ambulance not being able to get to a heart attack victim quickly have nothing to do with a child being hit by a car.
There are lots of cars in the world - there are lots of kids in the world -sometimes the two hit each other.
Why do you all insist on freaking out about cars being parked around schools when the only effect they will have is to slow the traffic. I'd be more worried by a kid trying to cross a road where the cars are doing 40mph.
Also, the vast majority of you are so easily swayed by shoddy journalism. Why not read the article. It quotes separate events and insinuates they happened as one. The "evils" of an ambulance not being able to get to a heart attack victim quickly have nothing to do with a child being hit by a car.
Posted by: Nick, Bournemouth on 6:57pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Why does the Echo Persist in following these poor parents who haven’t got the time to walk 200 yards?
Erm…
1. Because they are all “I’m all right, stuff the rest of you, Jack Bastodians?
2. Because it is an illegal activity.
3. PUPIL INJURED
Echo Wed 19Mar08
A BOY of 11 was injured outside his school where parents were parked illegally on zig-zag lines, police have said….
……Just three months ago, inconsiderate parking by parents at the same school delayed an ambulance trying to reach a man having a heart attack….
PS. Instead of issuing a ticket a Police Officer can decide to report for summons. This option can lead to a £1,000.00 fine and not just a £30.00 fine.
Why does the Echo Persist in following these poor parents who haven’t got the time to walk 200 yards?
Erm…
1. Because they are all “I’m all right, stuff the rest of you, Jack Bastodians?
2. Because it is an illegal activity.
3. PUPIL INJURED
Echo Wed 19Mar08
A BOY of 11 was injured outside his school where parents were parked illegally on zig-zag lines, police have said….
……Just three months ago, inconsiderate parking by parents at the same school delayed an ambulance trying to reach a man having a heart attack….
PS. Instead of issuing a ticket a Police Officer can decide to report for summons. This option can lead to a £1,000.00 fine and not just a £30.00 fine.
Posted by: gorgeous, Christchurch. on 7:49pm Fri 4 Jul 08
Parking offences are under the juristiction of local councils, not the Police. This has been the case for some time now. Unfortunately, council "Parking Enforcement Officers" (I think that's the Newspeak for Traffic Warden) are toothless lions. They cannot arrest someone for abusive or anti-social behaviour, only issue tickets. The traffic wardens in Christchurch avoid my school like the plague at drop off times. They need a trip to Oz to find their courage.
Parking offences are under the juristiction of local councils, not the Police. This has been the case for some time now. Unfortunately, council "Parking Enforcement Officers" (I think that's the Newspeak for Traffic Warden) are toothless lions. They cannot arrest someone for abusive or anti-social behaviour, only issue tickets. The traffic wardens in Christchurch avoid my school like the plague at drop off times. They need a trip to Oz to find their courage.
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