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| TRANSFER REQUEST: Warren Cummings |
POPULAR Cherries star Warren Cummings looks set to exit Dean Court after "reluctantly" handing in a transfer request due to a contract wrangle.
The Scotsman, who is midway through a two-year deal, is unhappy after being forced to take a pay cut following Cherries' relegation last season.
He feels the club were "morally wrong" to trigger the clause as relegation would have been avoided but for a 10-point deduction for entering administration.
Cummings penned an improved contract last summer although the deal included provision for him to take a 20 per cent reduction if Cherries went down.
And although relegation was confirmed on the final day of the season, Cherries were ultimately condemned to League Two by the points penalty.
Cummings submitted a written transfer request at the end of June and was told it had been accepted during a meeting with Jeff Mostyn earlier this week.
When contacted by the Daily Echo last night, Cummings confirmed his request had been accepted but said he did not wish to comment further.
His father Tom, who also acts as his representative, issued the following statement: "Warren loves playing for Bournemouth and has always worn the shirt with pride. He was hoping to finish his career here.
"But it is with great regret and sadness that he has asked for a transfer. However, in the position he finds himself in, he feels he has no other option.
"I first made contact with Mr Mostyn in May to discuss contractual issues which arose after the club had been relegated as a result of the 10-point deduction.
"Mr Mostyn responded, by email, informing us that the contract we had agreed last season would remain intact with no amendment. At no stage has the club attempted to make a counter offer since then.
"Warren was left with no alternative and wrote to Mr Mostyn on June 23 to reluctantly request a transfer. Mr Mostyn met Warren on July 15 when he informed him that the club would not be prepared to change their stance and agreed his request for a transfer.
"I can assure supporters that Warren has no grievances with the club. He feels his principles have been compromised and feels it is morally wrong to have invoked the clause when there was nothing he could have done about the 10 points.
"Warren has reiterated to club officials, both verbally and in writing, that he does not want to leave. He is not looking for any increase in salary, only what was agreed in his contract prior to administration as the team would have comfortably confirmed their League One status without the deduction.
"Warren was looking forward to spending many years with AFC Bournemouth and sincerely wishes a solution could have been reached. He will continue to give 100 per cent to the manager, staff and supporters until such time as he is able to move on."
7:00am Monday 21st July 2008
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CommentPosted by: Anastasis, Bournemouth on 7:17am Mon 21 Jul 08
Well if Sport-6 want a very good way of demonstrating there is more than just hot air and fancy sponsorship deals as substance to their claims for the future of the club it is now.
Warren does morally deserve to be paid in full. So come on Savi & Co. Let's see your metal!
Well if Sport-6 want a very good way of demonstrating there is more than just hot air and fancy sponsorship deals as substance to their claims for the future of the club it is now.
Warren does morally deserve to be paid in full. So come on Savi & Co. Let's see your metal!
Posted by: Geoff, used to be Boscombe on 7:44am Mon 21 Jul 08
He has a good argument. But the club will have League 2 income and will need to pay League 2 wages. They will be worried that if they pay Warren they will have to pay all the others as well.
He has a good argument. But the club will have League 2 income and will need to pay League 2 wages. They will be worried that if they pay Warren they will have to pay all the others as well.
Posted by: Matt on 7:51am Mon 21 Jul 08
We have several players who have had to take a pay cut as part of their contract. Kuffour is one. If we paid Warren more, we'd have to pay them all more. We cannot afford that, we have to stick to the 60% of turnover salary cap.
If Warren cannot understand this, then as much as I love him he'll have to go.
We have several players who have had to take a pay cut as part of their contract. Kuffour is one. If we paid Warren more, we'd have to pay them all more. We cannot afford that, we have to stick to the 60% of turnover salary cap.
If Warren cannot understand this, then as much as I love him he'll have to go.
Posted by: Andy_roo on 7:56am Mon 21 Jul 08
If we pay warren more then we will only be able to have 12 players as the money will be gone. Sorry Warren
If we pay warren more then we will only be able to have 12 players as the money will be gone. Sorry Warren
Posted by: France Cherry, France on 8:20am Mon 21 Jul 08
Tough Warren, you signed the contract. Other players, I understand, have accepted the contractual pay reduction, what dressing room disruption would it cause if we paid Warren as last season?
I think Warren has always been his own man and loyalty to the club has not been top of his list of attributes, there have always been rumours of him wanting away.
With a small squad we need absolute loyalty.
Whilst I don't agree with him I do wish him well in the future. Who can forget those storming runs pre the leg break!!
Tough Warren, you signed the contract. Other players, I understand, have accepted the contractual pay reduction, what dressing room disruption would it cause if we paid Warren as last season?
I think Warren has always been his own man and loyalty to the club has not been top of his list of attributes, there have always been rumours of him wanting away.
With a small squad we need absolute loyalty.
Whilst I don't agree with him I do wish him well in the future. Who can forget those storming runs pre the leg break!!
Posted by: Matt on 8:26am Mon 21 Jul 08
I know it seems cold for a player who has been here so long, but France Cherry is absolutey correct.
The female section of support will be very upset though!!
I know it seems cold for a player who has been here so long, but France Cherry is absolutey correct.
The female section of support will be very upset though!!
Posted by: kevvo, The dog house again on 8:31am Mon 21 Jul 08
Warren has a point but it is wrong to say that the 10 points is the only reason we went down one more win of all the games we threw away would also have kept us up. I doint want to see Warren go but the Club has to come first
Warren has a point but it is wrong to say that the 10 points is the only reason we went down one more win of all the games we threw away would also have kept us up. I doint want to see Warren go but the Club has to come first
Posted by: ericthe red, Christchurch on 8:40am Mon 21 Jul 08
wages are capped in League 2 and if the club give in , it will reduce the quality of player they can bring in to bolster the squad. Other players have accepted this, shame as the club stuck with him when he had his broken leg.
wages are capped in League 2 and if the club give in , it will reduce the quality of player they can bring in to bolster the squad. Other players have accepted this, shame as the club stuck with him when he had his broken leg.
Posted by: nickboy, West London on 8:45am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]kevvo[/bold] wrote:
Warren has a point but it is wrong to say that the 10 points is the only reason we went down one more win of all the games we threw away would also have kept us up. I doint want to see Warren go but the Club has to come first [/quote] Quite. Have we forgotten how awful we were for two-thirds of the season ? And ultimately, we couldn't win when it mattered anyway - not for the first time either.
If this is Warren's attitude then i'm afraid we have to let him go.
kevvo wrote:
Warren has a point but it is wrong to say that the 10 points is the only reason we went down one more win of all the games we threw away would also have kept us up. I doint want to see Warren go but the Club has to come first
Quite. Have we forgotten how awful we were for two-thirds of the season ? And ultimately, we couldn't win when it mattered anyway - not for the first time either.
If this is Warren's attitude then i'm afraid we have to let him go.
Posted by: markshergold, Poole on 8:45am Mon 21 Jul 08
Thanks Warren. Nice way to repay us for paying your wages for 18 months when you broke that leg.
Everyone else agreed the same reduction, we're in League Two with L2 income now and we have to pay players accordingly.
Bye Warren, gutted that you can't show the loyalty that we showed you for almost two years.
Thanks Warren. Nice way to repay us for paying your wages for 18 months when you broke that leg.
Everyone else agreed the same reduction, we're in League Two with L2 income now and we have to pay players accordingly.
Bye Warren, gutted that you can't show the loyalty that we showed you for almost two years.
Posted by: FletcherTheCat, The Sexy Beast on 8:55am Mon 21 Jul 08
I thought better of you Warren.
Points penalty or not, the club went down and that has financial implications for the business. They can't magic new money and have a cap on salaries to contend with.
I thought better of you Warren.
Points penalty or not, the club went down and that has financial implications for the business. They can't magic new money and have a cap on salaries to contend with.
Posted by: Lostinessex, Chelmsford on 9:06am Mon 21 Jul 08
Have to agree with most of the posts to date. He had a percentage deduction in his contract if relegated. We went down, end of story. He is maybe not as much a red as his song suggests. Where is he off to now? Reading?
Have to agree with most of the posts to date. He had a percentage deduction in his contract if relegated. We went down, end of story. He is maybe not as much a red as his song suggests. Where is he off to now? Reading?
Posted by: bmouth_cherry, Bournemouth on 9:06am Mon 21 Jul 08
im sorry but **** signed the contract last year knowing that it had a 20% reduction. If he was not happy then why did he sign it? Another example of a player just like Gowling who we stuck with despite suffering from a career threatening injury and it taking months for them to 'fully' recover...
im sorry but **** signed the contract last year knowing that it had a 20% reduction. If he was not happy then why did he sign it? Another example of a player just like Gowling who we stuck with despite suffering from a career threatening injury and it taking months for them to 'fully' recover...
Posted by: Winch, Winchester on 9:07am Mon 21 Jul 08
Warren, Give it a season in league two see how it goes and if you fancy a move at the end of the season you will leave with everyones best wishes and your relationship with the support intact. The salary at this level is not that massive principles are great but if you wanted to end your carrer at AFCB only greed is stopping you. Shame but good luck if you go through with it
Warren, Give it a season in league two see how it goes and if you fancy a move at the end of the season you will leave with everyones best wishes and your relationship with the support intact. The salary at this level is not that massive principles are great but if you wanted to end your carrer at AFCB only greed is stopping you. Shame but good luck if you go through with it
Posted by: GMcMahon, Highcliffe on 9:21am Mon 21 Jul 08
Sorry Warren but it has effected more players than just you and if you had won a few more games before Christmas then you would have stayed up, you signed the contract so live by it the others have. If you really love the club as much as you say then why make such a fuss over the cut which you agreed to in your contract, when the club is having a hard time, that 20% could well make the difference in bringing in another player that we need, so time to take it on the chin as others have, if you quit over this then I for one will doubt the comments about how much the club means to you, just remember the staff that lost their jobs during this administration process, you are not in anything like as bad a position as those poor people.
Sorry Warren but it has effected more players than just you and if you had won a few more games before Christmas then you would have stayed up, you signed the contract so live by it the others have. If you really love the club as much as you say then why make such a fuss over the cut which you agreed to in your contract, when the club is having a hard time, that 20% could well make the difference in bringing in another player that we need, so time to take it on the chin as others have, if you quit over this then I for one will doubt the comments about how much the club means to you, just remember the staff that lost their jobs during this administration process, you are not in anything like as bad a position as those poor people.
Posted by: brian, Blandford on 9:37am Mon 21 Jul 08
'Thanks Warren. Nice way to repay us for paying your wages for 18 months when you broke that leg.'
You do have a point about loyalty Mark but that only goes so far. You can't get away from the fact that it was a workplace injury which seriously affected his health.
His wages should have been paid by the insurance anyway!
'Thanks Warren. Nice way to repay us for paying your wages for 18 months when you broke that leg.'
You do have a point about loyalty Mark but that only goes so far. You can't get away from the fact that it was a workplace injury which seriously affected his health.
His wages should have been paid by the insurance anyway!
Posted by: Andy_roo on 9:40am Mon 21 Jul 08
This kind of agreement amongst fans is what is required going forward.
Up the Cherries
This kind of agreement amongst fans is what is required going forward.
Up the Cherries
Posted by: Richard Mayes on 9:48am Mon 21 Jul 08
Few of us would be happy to accept a 20% cut in income and with both Aberdeen and Falkirk having already approached the Club, he hasn't got to. There are a lot of disillusioned and alienated fans out there though and Warrens going won't help to bring them onside.It is difficult to see the Cherries being able to put a competitive side out this Season and if they can't and make a poor start gates will plumet, as it is many previous Season tickets holders are hanging back - just waiting to see!
Few of us would be happy to accept a 20% cut in income and with both Aberdeen and Falkirk having already approached the Club, he hasn't got to. There are a lot of disillusioned and alienated fans out there though and Warrens going won't help to bring them onside.It is difficult to see the Cherries being able to put a competitive side out this Season and if they can't and make a poor start gates will plumet, as it is many previous Season tickets holders are hanging back - just waiting to see!
Posted by: lp, christchurch on 9:57am Mon 21 Jul 08
If it wasnt the fact we have a small squad this season then he really wouldnt be much of a loss, never been the same since his leg break. If that is his attitude then so be it , obviously some players are more red than you wally !
If it wasnt the fact we have a small squad this season then he really wouldnt be much of a loss, never been the same since his leg break. If that is his attitude then so be it , obviously some players are more red than you wally !
Posted by: NewForestPhil, New Forest on 10:03am Mon 21 Jul 08
Whilst I do agree that Warren should be held to the terms of his contract I do have a little sympathy with him.
When he signed up he was vocal about being impressed by the clubs plans and KB's talk of players he was going to bring in. Warren must have been as disappointed last summer as most of us fans as to who actually arrived and how we played.
Still it is a new situation now and I feel the clubs take it or leave it attitude is correct. IMO last season just proved that unfortunately Warren is never likely to become the same player again that he was before the leg break and is now no more than an average L1/2 defender.
Thanks to Warren for the years of service and good luck to him for the future. Hope he manages to find what he wants and that we at least get some sort of reasonable fee for him.
Whilst I do agree that Warren should be held to the terms of his contract I do have a little sympathy with him.
When he signed up he was vocal about being impressed by the clubs plans and KB's talk of players he was going to bring in. Warren must have been as disappointed last summer as most of us fans as to who actually arrived and how we played.
Still it is a new situation now and I feel the clubs take it or leave it attitude is correct. IMO last season just proved that unfortunately Warren is never likely to become the same player again that he was before the leg break and is now no more than an average L1/2 defender.
Thanks to Warren for the years of service and good luck to him for the future. Hope he manages to find what he wants and that we at least get some sort of reasonable fee for him.
Posted by: JON, THE OBSERVER on 10:14am Mon 21 Jul 08
Theb second word is "OFF" Warren!
Theb second word is "OFF" Warren!
Posted by: Hugh, Wimborne on 10:17am Mon 21 Jul 08
A contract is just that! It was prudent to insert the clause, and with gate receipts probably lower in div 2, players must expect div 2 money. I doubt their will be too many clubs interested. Times are hard for all clubs accept the Premership few.
A contract is just that! It was prudent to insert the clause, and with gate receipts probably lower in div 2, players must expect div 2 money. I doubt their will be too many clubs interested. Times are hard for all clubs accept the Premership few.
Posted by: Rick, London on 10:18am Mon 21 Jul 08
I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg.
So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players.
He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this.
I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans.
But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance.
As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week.
Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg.
So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players.
He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this.
I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans.
But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance.
As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week.
Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
Posted by: john coombes, Tiverton on 10:23am Mon 21 Jul 08
just another player looking for an easy way out, contracts are not worth the paper they are written on, having your dad as your agent is a big mistake Warren, learn to handle your own affairs
just another player looking for an easy way out, contracts are not worth the paper they are written on, having your dad as your agent is a big mistake Warren, learn to handle your own affairs
Posted by: smhinto, Lincoln on 10:27am Mon 21 Jul 08
It was only a matter of time before Cummings would have left the club. Let's not beat about the bush here. It is fairly obvious that with all the wranglings at the club and the shortage of playing staff coupled with a likely points deduction that we are NOT going anywhere next season in the upwards direction.
My point being that at the end of this coming season Cummings would have been out of contract and and would have left anyway. I cannot imagine him wanting two seasons in League 'Diddly' Two.
Furthermore, I took in the Lincoln City v Aston Villa friendly last week and was pleasently surprised by how assured, confident, strong and well balanced Lincoln were and played under the astute management of Peter Jackson. They have signed some quality players. They have now seemingly lost their 'long ball' tag and I feel they are on course for a top six finish.
Then, I look at AFCB and see us bringing in what I feel are a 'low-heel' quality of trialist. We have a 'puff powder' squad lacking in sufficient depth and experience of which is also made up of youth (who's ability is not in question but their experience and strength is). We have no real strikers who are likely to hit the target regularly. We have no cover in defence or in the goalkeeping capacity.
In addition, we lack the physical presence, guile and the will to fight attitude to win matches all of which is required in League 'Diddly' Two.
Time is running out!!!.
At the moment we are displaying all the hallmarks of a club in decline and going absolutly nowhere except the Blue Square Premier!!
Regards
It was only a matter of time before Cummings would have left the club. Let's not beat about the bush here. It is fairly obvious that with all the wranglings at the club and the shortage of playing staff coupled with a likely points deduction that we are NOT going anywhere next season in the upwards direction.
My point being that at the end of this coming season Cummings would have been out of contract and and would have left anyway. I cannot imagine him wanting two seasons in League 'Diddly' Two.
Furthermore, I took in the Lincoln City v Aston Villa friendly last week and was pleasently surprised by how assured, confident, strong and well balanced Lincoln were and played under the astute management of Peter Jackson. They have signed some quality players. They have now seemingly lost their 'long ball' tag and I feel they are on course for a top six finish.
Then, I look at AFCB and see us bringing in what I feel are a 'low-heel' quality of trialist. We have a 'puff powder' squad lacking in sufficient depth and experience of which is also made up of youth (who's ability is not in question but their experience and strength is). We have no real strikers who are likely to hit the target regularly. We have no cover in defence or in the goalkeeping capacity.
In addition, we lack the physical presence, guile and the will to fight attitude to win matches all of which is required in League 'Diddly' Two.
Time is running out!!!.
At the moment we are displaying all the hallmarks of a club in decline and going absolutly nowhere except the Blue Square Premier!!
Regards
Posted by: brian, Blandford on 10:29am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]JON[/bold] wrote:
Theb second word is "OFF" Warren![/quote] Grow up Jon!
He is football player and as such has a very short career during which to make half decent money. He make like working for a particular club but this should not be confused with being a fan. Are you still in the same job you started in when you left school. Of course not (unless you have only just left school), when you handed in your notice in the past did someone tell you to **** OFF! Of course not. If he wants to go and work for another employer he can, especially if he feels his current employer does not value him.
After all, he isn't on strike, he has just asked if he can go and work somewhere else.
Now dry your eyes and stop getting hysterical!!!
JON wrote:
Theb second word is "OFF" Warren!
Grow up Jon!
He is football player and as such has a very short career during which to make half decent money. He make like working for a particular club but this should not be confused with being a fan. Are you still in the same job you started in when you left school. Of course not (unless you have only just left school), when you handed in your notice in the past did someone tell you to **** OFF! Of course not. If he wants to go and work for another employer he can, especially if he feels his current employer does not value him.
After all, he isn't on strike, he has just asked if he can go and work somewhere else.
Now dry your eyes and stop getting hysterical!!!
Posted by: Bimht, sherborne on 10:40am Mon 21 Jul 08
...bye and good luck for your future Warren...will be looking forward to seeing you agianst us this season!
...bye and good luck for your future Warren...will be looking forward to seeing you agianst us this season!
Posted by: lp, christchurch on 10:41am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote:
I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg.
So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players.
He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this.
I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans.
But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance.
As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week.
Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.[/quote] Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to.
Rick wrote:
I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg.
So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players.
He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this.
I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans.
But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance.
As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week.
Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to.
Posted by: Rick, London on 10:42am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]JON[/bold] wrote:
Theb second word is "OFF" Warren![/quote] Jon, what a sick man you are to speak of one of the players like you have.
We will all see you in your glory tonight gesticulating and shouting obseneties at Warren,what a class act you are, no wonder Warren wants out.
JON wrote:
Theb second word is "OFF" Warren!
Jon, what a sick man you are to speak of one of the players like you have.
We will all see you in your glory tonight gesticulating and shouting obseneties at Warren,what a class act you are, no wonder Warren wants out.
Posted by: Rick, London on 10:45am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]lp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.[/quote] Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to. [/quote] lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up
lp wrote:
Rick wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to.
lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up
Posted by: markshergold, Poole on 10:48am Mon 21 Jul 08
What do you mean "irrespective of contracts"
He has 12 months left to run on his contract which states that in the event of relegation he has to take a 20% wage cut.
Same as Jo Kuffour, he's taken it on the chin and got on with it.
What do you mean "irrespective of contracts"
He has 12 months left to run on his contract which states that in the event of relegation he has to take a 20% wage cut.
Same as Jo Kuffour, he's taken it on the chin and got on with it.
Posted by: Rick, London on 10:51am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]lp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.[/quote] Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to. [/quote] lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up
lp wrote:
Rick wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to.
lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up
Posted by: markshergold, Poole on 10:51am Mon 21 Jul 08
Some people were made redundant by the club, at least Warren still gets a wage. He should be grateful for that in the current times. If he thinks he can get better elsewhere, than fine, but he's under contract and the deal will have to be right for us to sell him.
Some people were made redundant by the club, at least Warren still gets a wage. He should be grateful for that in the current times. If he thinks he can get better elsewhere, than fine, but he's under contract and the deal will have to be right for us to sell him.
Posted by: Rick, London on 10:55am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]markshergold[/bold] wrote:
What do you mean "irrespective of contracts" He has 12 months left to run on his contract which states that in the event of relegation he has to take a 20% wage cut. Same as Jo Kuffour, he's taken it on the chin and got on with it.[/quote] Is it not the same Chairman and Vice Chairman who put the club in to administration who are still in relative terms in charge.
Yes deduct the 20% if it were for being relegated through not enough points but not because of admin, and how do you know that Kuffour has had a deduction? or do you have party to his contract,if you want a bet i will easy take your money.
markshergold wrote:
What do you mean "irrespective of contracts" He has 12 months left to run on his contract which states that in the event of relegation he has to take a 20% wage cut. Same as Jo Kuffour, he's taken it on the chin and got on with it.
Is it not the same Chairman and Vice Chairman who put the club in to administration who are still in relative terms in charge.
Yes deduct the 20% if it were for being relegated through not enough points but not because of admin, and how do you know that Kuffour has had a deduction? or do you have party to his contract,if you want a bet i will easy take your money.
Posted by: markshergold, Poole on 10:57am Mon 21 Jul 08
The Echo said he did a few weeks back, when there was speculation about Bristol Rover being interested and Kuffour saying he wasn't interested.
The Echo said he did a few weeks back, when there was speculation about Bristol Rover being interested and Kuffour saying he wasn't interested.
Posted by: Andy_roo on 10:58am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote:
I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.[/quote] This is sill what principles, if Bournemouth had gone up and his contract said he got a twenty percent increase he wouldn't have taken it, a contract is a contract.
Rick wrote:
I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
This is sill what principles, if Bournemouth had gone up and his contract said he got a twenty percent increase he wouldn't have taken it, a contract is a contract.
Posted by: markshergold, Poole on 11:02am Mon 21 Jul 08
Here you go Rick:
"Bond added that he had not received "a single phone call" for Kuffour and felt the interest in the player could possibly have been generated by people "trying to stir up a little bit of trouble".
Although Kuffour is understood to be one of the higher wages earners among Bond's squad, his money could be hit by Cherries' demotion.
Sources close to the Daily Echo claim that at least one other player in a similar position to Kuffour may have been forced to take a 20 to 25 per cent pay cut as a result of relegation.
And with finances tight at the club due to administration, some of the offers to the eight out-of-contract players are believed to have been made on reduced terms.
"
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Here you go Rick:
"Bond added that he had not received "a single phone call" for Kuffour and felt the interest in the player could possibly have been generated by people "trying to stir up a little bit of trouble".
Although Kuffour is understood to be one of the higher wages earners among Bond's squad, his money could be hit by Cherries' demotion.
Sources close to the Daily Echo claim that at least one other player in a similar position to Kuffour may have been forced to take a 20 to 25 per cent pay cut as a result of relegation.
And with finances tight at the club due to administration, some of the offers to the eight out-of-contract players are believed to have been made on reduced terms.
"
http://www.bournemou
thecho.co.uk/sport/t
opsport/display.var.
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Posted by: Bonds curls on 11:03am Mon 21 Jul 08
you wont be missed goodbye
you wont be missed goodbye
Posted by: lp, christchurch on 11:20am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]lp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.[/quote] Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to. [/quote] lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up[/quote] My Co. will not be going under thanks for your concern, and if one of my staff were as stupid to sign a contract stating i could reduce there wages for a certain reason & that reason came up then sorry i would. As for waking up and smelling the coffee all done at 5 this morning thanks.
Rick wrote:
lp wrote:
Rick wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to.
lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up
My Co. will not be going under thanks for your concern, and if one of my staff were as stupid to sign a contract stating i could reduce there wages for a certain reason & that reason came up then sorry i would. As for waking up and smelling the coffee all done at 5 this morning thanks.
Posted by: rcmorgan20, Carlisle, Cumbria on 11:28am Mon 21 Jul 08
Bring back Justin Harrington!!
UTCIAD
Bring back Justin Harrington!!
UTCIAD
Posted by: Big Rich, Ferndown on 11:29am Mon 21 Jul 08
I know Warren and he is a good guy. Both sides have got valid points. We have to be careful that we don't end spend more than we can afford (that would be a first).
Also Warren has been offered more money elsewhere and then there is a 20% cut on top of his current contract. Easy for people to spout on about loyalty but it is a short career and he has to look after himself for the future.
I know Warren and he is a good guy. Both sides have got valid points. We have to be careful that we don't end spend more than we can afford (that would be a first).
Also Warren has been offered more money elsewhere and then there is a 20% cut on top of his current contract. Easy for people to spout on about loyalty but it is a short career and he has to look after himself for the future.
Posted by: mossly, christchurch on 11:42am Mon 21 Jul 08
Did anybody stand over Warren and make him sign a contract? No he signed it so stop whinging or leave us. You have a job, with the credit crunch in full swing, i'm sure alot of people wish they were in the same boat as footballers. Its not as though footballers are paid below the breadline is it.
Did anybody stand over Warren and make him sign a contract? No he signed it so stop whinging or leave us. You have a job, with the credit crunch in full swing, i'm sure alot of people wish they were in the same boat as footballers. Its not as though footballers are paid below the breadline is it.
Posted by: France Cherry, France on 11:45am Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]brian[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]JON[/bold] wrote: Theb second word is "OFF" Warren![/quote] Grow up Jon! He is football player and as such has a very short career during which to make half decent money. He make like working for a particular club but this should not be confused with being a fan. Are you still in the same job you started in when you left school. Of course not (unless you have only just left school), when you handed in your notice in the past did someone tell you to **** OFF! Of course not. If he wants to go and work for another employer he can, especially if he feels his current employer does not value him. After all, he isn't on strike, he has just asked if he can go and work somewhere else. Now dry your eyes and stop getting hysterical!!![/quote] Brian - A couple of points, ofcourse "**** OFF" is unacceptable BUT this is not the same as handing in your notice. Your employment contract with your employers will say that you have to give 1 months notice for example. Warren has signed a contract which says he will stay at AFCB for 2 years, he actually wants to break that contract. Thats the difference and that is why people are disappointed.
brian wrote:
JON wrote: Theb second word is "OFF" Warren!
Grow up Jon! He is football player and as such has a very short career during which to make half decent money. He make like working for a particular club but this should not be confused with being a fan. Are you still in the same job you started in when you left school. Of course not (unless you have only just left school), when you handed in your notice in the past did someone tell you to **** OFF! Of course not. If he wants to go and work for another employer he can, especially if he feels his current employer does not value him. After all, he isn't on strike, he has just asked if he can go and work somewhere else. Now dry your eyes and stop getting hysterical!!!
Brian - A couple of points, ofcourse "**** OFF" is unacceptable BUT this is not the same as handing in your notice. Your employment contract with your employers will say that you have to give 1 months notice for example. Warren has signed a contract which says he will stay at AFCB for 2 years, he actually wants to break that contract. Thats the difference and that is why people are disappointed.
Posted by: Geoff, used to be Boscombe on 11:49am Mon 21 Jul 08
Can't believe the vitriol against Warren.
HE has right on his side. I think he has a totally point to argue that the 20% deduction WAS MEANT to apply when relegation was caused by the team not performing, and the contract probably never foresaw and WAS NOT MEANT to cover reelgation due to actions of the employers.
However, the club cannot afford it, and if they paid him they would have to pay all the other players.
So it is perfectly fair for Warren to leave with all our thnks and best wishes.
Can't believe the vitriol against Warren.
HE has right on his side. I think he has a totally point to argue that the 20% deduction WAS MEANT to apply when relegation was caused by the team not performing, and the contract probably never foresaw and WAS NOT MEANT to cover reelgation due to actions of the employers.
However, the club cannot afford it, and if they paid him they would have to pay all the other players.
So it is perfectly fair for Warren to leave with all our thnks and best wishes.
Posted by: GMcMahon, Highcliffe on 12:02pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]smhinto[/bold] wrote:
It was only a matter of time before Cummings would have left the club. Let's not beat about the bush here. It is fairly obvious that with all the wranglings at the club and the shortage of playing staff coupled with a likely points deduction that we are NOT going anywhere next season in the upwards direction.
My point being that at the end of this coming season Cummings would have been out of contract and and would have left anyway. I cannot imagine him wanting two seasons in League 'Diddly' Two.
Furthermore, I took in the Lincoln City v Aston Villa friendly last week and was pleasently surprised by how assured, confident, strong and well balanced Lincoln were and played under the astute management of Peter Jackson. They have signed some quality players. They have now seemingly lost their 'long ball' tag and I feel they are on course for a top six finish.
Then, I look at AFCB and see us bringing in what I feel are a 'low-heel' quality of trialist. We have a 'puff powder' squad lacking in sufficient depth and experience of which is also made up of youth (who's ability is not in question but their experience and strength is). We have no real strikers who are likely to hit the target regularly. We have no cover in defence or in the goalkeeping capacity.
In addition, we lack the physical presence, guile and the will to fight attitude to win matches all of which is required in League 'Diddly' Two.
Time is running out!!!.
At the moment we are displaying all the hallmarks of a club in decline and going absolutly nowhere except the Blue Square Premier!!
Regards[/quote] We all get it, you don't support the cherries anymore!!! is there anyone else on your list of teams that will be better than us? Doncaster Lincoln, who's next? So once again why are you posting these comments when you have made it quite clear you think Cherries in league two is a waste of time?
smhinto wrote:
It was only a matter of time before Cummings would have left the club. Let's not beat about the bush here. It is fairly obvious that with all the wranglings at the club and the shortage of playing staff coupled with a likely points deduction that we are NOT going anywhere next season in the upwards direction.
My point being that at the end of this coming season Cummings would have been out of contract and and would have left anyway. I cannot imagine him wanting two seasons in League 'Diddly' Two.
Furthermore, I took in the Lincoln City v Aston Villa friendly last week and was pleasently surprised by how assured, confident, strong and well balanced Lincoln were and played under the astute management of Peter Jackson. They have signed some quality players. They have now seemingly lost their 'long ball' tag and I feel they are on course for a top six finish.
Then, I look at AFCB and see us bringing in what I feel are a 'low-heel' quality of trialist. We have a 'puff powder' squad lacking in sufficient depth and experience of which is also made up of youth (who's ability is not in question but their experience and strength is). We have no real strikers who are likely to hit the target regularly. We have no cover in defence or in the goalkeeping capacity.
In addition, we lack the physical presence, guile and the will to fight attitude to win matches all of which is required in League 'Diddly' Two.
Time is running out!!!.
At the moment we are displaying all the hallmarks of a club in decline and going absolutly nowhere except the Blue Square Premier!!
Regards
We all get it, you don't support the cherries anymore!!! is there anyone else on your list of teams that will be better than us? Doncaster Lincoln, who's next? So once again why are you posting these comments when you have made it quite clear you think Cherries in league two is a waste of time?
Posted by: GMcMahon, Highcliffe on 12:10pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]lp[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.[/quote] Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to. [/quote] lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up[/quote] He signed a contract which stated he would take a 20% wage cut, so why all the fuss now? if he really loves the club as he says he will take it on the chin and do his best to get the club back into league one, the club stood by him though his troubles so surely he can do the same now. A contract is a contract, he signed it didn't he? As for finding the money to keep him we are in league 2 now and their are restrictions on what can be paid, you can't just change that for one player we are short enough as it is without making things worse. Also whats with the duty morally, what nonsense it's a business nothing to do with morals, if you wan to argue on that ground then surely Warren is bound in the same way after his problems, so the bottom line is thanks but if you can't fit in then good luck that would be the same anywhere so why should it be any different in this case?
Rick wrote:
lp wrote:
Rick wrote: I am appaled at some of the comments referring to Warren especially when many say he was paid when he broke his leg. So he should have been paid and many of you have forgot their is now a new Chief Executive and new Director of Football and am sure their salaries are much more than Warren and his fellow players. He should be applauded for having principles and i for one would gladly fork out money to keep him as he is the type of player we need at the club at a time like this. I know for one that he represents the club at many functions and speaks affectionately about the club and its fans. But knowing the fans as we do am sure some will boo him tonight, i for one will applaud him i his stance. As for other players having to take a cut i do not believe it as if my memory is correct the only other player to sign longer than a year last season was Kuffour and rumour has it it he is on over £2000 a week. Well don Warren and hope the club makes you an offer if not it has been great having you here,good luck with your new club to which i am sure there will be a good few after you.
Principles ? If he had them then he wouldnt be grumbling about his contract that he signed and agreed to.
lp
hope your firm does not go under and the same Chairman and Vice Chairman take over and reduce your wages by 20% irrespective of contracts,surely they had a duty morally?smell the coffee and wake up
He signed a contract which stated he would take a 20% wage cut, so why all the fuss now? if he really loves the club as he says he will take it on the chin and do his best to get the club back into league one, the club stood by him though his troubles so surely he can do the same now. A contract is a contract, he signed it didn't he? As for finding the money to keep him we are in league 2 now and their are restrictions on what can be paid, you can't just change that for one player we are short enough as it is without making things worse. Also whats with the duty morally, what nonsense it's a business nothing to do with morals, if you wan to argue on that ground then surely Warren is bound in the same way after his problems, so the bottom line is thanks but if you can't fit in then good luck that would be the same anywhere so why should it be any different in this case?
Posted by: GMcMahon, Highcliffe on 12:13pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]markshergold[/bold] wrote:
What do you mean "irrespective of contracts" He has 12 months left to run on his contract which states that in the event of relegation he has to take a 20% wage cut. Same as Jo Kuffour, he's taken it on the chin and got on with it.[/quote] Is it not the same Chairman and Vice Chairman who put the club in to administration who are still in relative terms in charge.
Yes deduct the 20% if it were for being relegated through not enough points but not because of admin, and how do you know that Kuffour has had a deduction? or do you have party to his contract,if you want a bet i will easy take your money.[/quote] It's quite clear you have forgotten what put us in administration in the first place, do you want the club to survive or not? if you do then Warren and others have to bight the bullit on this one, just think how much worse it is for those creditors who are out of pocket or those people who lost their jobs, Warren is hardly on the bread line and he will be earning a **** site more with the 20% reduction than most of the people who pay to watch, so let's have some perspective shall we.
Rick wrote:
markshergold wrote:
What do you mean "irrespective of contracts" He has 12 months left to run on his contract which states that in the event of relegation he has to take a 20% wage cut. Same as Jo Kuffour, he's taken it on the chin and got on with it.
Is it not the same Chairman and Vice Chairman who put the club in to administration who are still in relative terms in charge.
Yes deduct the 20% if it were for being relegated through not enough points but not because of admin, and how do you know that Kuffour has had a deduction? or do you have party to his contract,if you want a bet i will easy take your money.
It's quite clear you have forgotten what put us in administration in the first place, do you want the club to survive or not? if you do then Warren and others have to bight the bullit on this one, just think how much worse it is for those creditors who are out of pocket or those people who lost their jobs, Warren is hardly on the bread line and he will be earning a **** site more with the 20% reduction than most of the people who pay to watch, so let's have some perspective shall we.
Posted by: brian, Blandford on 12:23pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]France Cherry[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]brian[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]JON[/bold] wrote: Theb second word is "OFF" Warren![/quote] Grow up Jon! He is football player and as such has a very short career during which to make half decent money. He make like working for a particular club but this should not be confused with being a fan. Are you still in the same job you started in when you left school. Of course not (unless you have only just left school), when you handed in your notice in the past did someone tell you to **** OFF! Of course not. If he wants to go and work for another employer he can, especially if he feels his current employer does not value him. After all, he isn't on strike, he has just asked if he can go and work somewhere else. Now dry your eyes and stop getting hysterical!!![/quote] Brian - A couple of points, ofcourse "**** OFF" is unacceptable BUT this is not the same as handing in your notice. Your employment contract with your employers will say that you have to give 1 months notice for example. Warren has signed a contract which says he will stay at AFCB for 2 years, he actually wants to break that contract. Thats the difference and that is why people are disappointed. [/quote] I am disappointed as well.
However, it would appear that warren is now in dispute with his employers. Employment contracts, contract or permanent have notice periods written into them. I myself am working on a six month contract but even so I can submit one months notice. Football contracts may be written slightly differently but the concept will is still relevant.
The point is Warren is no longer happy to play for AFCB because he believes that they are not fulfilling their part of the contract, AFCB have taken contrary point of view and the relationship has broken down.
If Warren no longer feels able to play for AFCB he can follow the procedure as laid down in his contract. That is what he is doing now and as much as I don't want him to go, we have to accept it.
It is his (short) career and he may like playing for AFCB but he does not look at it like a fan.
I hope he will stay but wish him well however it pans out!
France Cherry wrote:
brian wrote: JON wrote: Theb second word is "OFF" Warren!
Grow up Jon! He is football player and as such has a very short career during which to make half decent money. He make like working for a particular club but this should not be confused with being a fan. Are you still in the same job you started in when you left school. Of course not (unless you have only just left school), when you handed in your notice in the past did someone tell you to **** OFF! Of course not. If he wants to go and work for another employer he can, especially if he feels his current employer does not value him. After all, he isn't on strike, he has just asked if he can go and work somewhere else. Now dry your eyes and stop getting hysterical!!!
Brian - A couple of points, ofcourse "**** OFF" is unacceptable BUT this is not the same as handing in your notice. Your employment contract with your employers will say that you have to give 1 months notice for example. Warren has signed a contract which says he will stay at AFCB for 2 years, he actually wants to break that contract. Thats the difference and that is why people are disappointed.
I am disappointed as well.
However, it would appear that warren is now in dispute with his employers. Employment contracts, contract or permanent have notice periods written into them. I myself am working on a six month contract but even so I can submit one months notice. Football contracts may be written slightly differently but the concept will is still relevant.
The point is Warren is no longer happy to play for AFCB because he believes that they are not fulfilling their part of the contract, AFCB have taken contrary point of view and the relationship has broken down.
If Warren no longer feels able to play for AFCB he can follow the procedure as laid down in his contract. That is what he is doing now and as much as I don't want him to go, we have to accept it.
It is his (short) career and he may like playing for AFCB but he does not look at it like a fan.
I hope he will stay but wish him well however it pans out!
Posted by: Tom Griffiths., Bransgore. on 12:26pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Delighted to see that most postings today are offering their best wishes to Warren and are grateful for the pleasure his talent has brought us.
I'm afraid loyalty doesn't get much consideration in the football world today. As we can all see what is happening in the Premiership, the advent of which has been the ruination of football in this country in my opinion.It is a case of what we never had, we never miss.
Before moving to Bournemouth in 1962 I was an avid Spurs fan,where we could take our two boys for a total outlay of five shilings. We had four divisions with two up and two down at end of season. Unfortuneately money is now the main factor in the sport.Agreed it is a short career but I think most of us have come to accept the situation and put up with it, due to our love of the game and our club.
Delighted to see that most postings today are offering their best wishes to Warren and are grateful for the pleasure his talent has brought us.
I'm afraid loyalty doesn't get much consideration in the football world today. As we can all see what is happening in the Premiership, the advent of which has been the ruination of football in this country in my opinion.It is a case of what we never had, we never miss.
Before moving to Bournemouth in 1962 I was an avid Spurs fan,where we could take our two boys for a total outlay of five shilings. We had four divisions with two up and two down at end of season. Unfortuneately money is now the main factor in the sport.Agreed it is a short career but I think most of us have come to accept the situation and put up with it, due to our love of the game and our club.
Posted by: GMcMahon, Highcliffe on 12:32pm Mon 21 Jul 08
JD Sports are the new shirt sponsors !!!!
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Posted by: AFCB lost in Brum, Birmingham on 12:36pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble.
Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up?
Will the club go into administration?
He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren.
Others lost their jobs completely.
Time to man up or clear off.
Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly.
Shame as before then he was mustard.
Time for new blood, I can live with that.
Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble.
Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up?
Will the club go into administration?
He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren.
Others lost their jobs completely.
Time to man up or clear off.
Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly.
Shame as before then he was mustard.
Time for new blood, I can live with that.
Posted by: kevvo, The dog house again on 12:39pm Mon 21 Jul 08
I like Warren and hope he gets what he wants but facts have to be faced He must have known we were in with a chance of going down before he agreed that clause. You cant blame us going down entirely on admin one more win would have kept us up and the Players along with Bond and Mostyn must take some responsibility for that. If WC wants to go then he should go with no bad feeling but lets not lose sight of the fact that he signed the contract so he should have honoured it and if he wants more money then the Club should sell him and as someone else said he can go for nothing next Year.It was a good bit of Business by AFCB and I bet it was Warren insisting on a longer contract that made them put the clause in. Cant blame a player for wanting the best deal but it would be nice if sometimes players who make a big noise about loyalty actually put badge before Bank Balance but then again we all have to make a living.
I like Warren and hope he gets what he wants but facts have to be faced He must have known we were in with a chance of going down before he agreed that clause. You cant blame us going down entirely on admin one more win would have kept us up and the Players along with Bond and Mostyn must take some responsibility for that. If WC wants to go then he should go with no bad feeling but lets not lose sight of the fact that he signed the contract so he should have honoured it and if he wants more money then the Club should sell him and as someone else said he can go for nothing next Year.It was a good bit of Business by AFCB and I bet it was Warren insisting on a longer contract that made them put the clause in. Cant blame a player for wanting the best deal but it would be nice if sometimes players who make a big noise about loyalty actually put badge before Bank Balance but then again we all have to make a living.
Posted by: AFCB lost in Brum, Birmingham on 12:40pm Mon 21 Jul 08
Oh, and Brian in Blandford - it is a short career but they get paid twice as much as the rest of us.
Footballers rarely save all that excess cash for the future, instead spunking it on being flashy.
No sympathy for people paid so much when nurses and their like get paid a pittance.
Oh, and Brian in Blandford - it is a short career but they get paid twice as much as the rest of us.
Footballers rarely save all that excess cash for the future, instead spunking it on being flashy.
No sympathy for people paid so much when nurses and their like get paid a pittance.
Posted by: kevvo, The dog house again on 12:45pm Mon 21 Jul 08
And as for the references about paying him when he broke its leg and the retorts that that was because he was under contract. Exactly the Club honoured the Contract so its not unreasonable for the Club to expect the same courtosy from an employee. What Warrens Daddy should have negotiated was a relegation release clause so if Warren feels hew has been let down he should look closer to home and get some proper advice next time.
And as for the references about paying him when he broke its leg and the retorts that that was because he was under contract. Exactly the Club honoured the Contract so its not unreasonable for the Club to expect the same courtosy from an employee. What Warrens Daddy should have negotiated was a relegation release clause so if Warren feels hew has been let down he should look closer to home and get some proper advice next time.
Posted by: kevvo, The dog house again on 12:50pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]AFCB lost in Brum[/bold] wrote:
Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble. Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up? Will the club go into administration? He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren. Others lost their jobs completely. Time to man up or clear off. Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly. Shame as before then he was mustard. Time for new blood, I can live with that. [/quote] Also with or mortgages we dont get the chance of influencing the outcome whilst a pro Footballer can actually along with his collegus perform well enough to influence the final outcome of the Season. So Warren and Gowling where in a position to help there own fate at the dismal run at the start of the Season.
AFCB lost in Brum wrote:
Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble. Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up? Will the club go into administration? He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren. Others lost their jobs completely. Time to man up or clear off. Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly. Shame as before then he was mustard. Time for new blood, I can live with that.
Also with or mortgages we dont get the chance of influencing the outcome whilst a pro Footballer can actually along with his collegus perform well enough to influence the final outcome of the Season. So Warren and Gowling where in a position to help there own fate at the dismal run at the start of the Season.
Posted by: Rick, London on 12:58pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]kevvo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]AFCB lost in Brum[/bold] wrote: Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble. Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up? Will the club go into administration? He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren. Others lost their jobs completely. Time to man up or clear off. Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly. Shame as before then he was mustard. Time for new blood, I can live with that. [/quote] Also with or mortgages we dont get the chance of influencing the outcome whilst a pro Footballer can actually along with his collegus perform well enough to influence the final outcome of the Season. So Warren and Gowling where in a position to help there own fate at the dismal run at the start of the Season. [/quote] Poor Warren well at least it keeps the heat of Mr Mostyn and Mr Sly who are obviously innocent of all charges and it is all Warrens fault for breaking his leg etc etc etc I for one will be supporting him as always tonight until things change and hopefully the ones with the vitriolic comments will as normal be in their abundance.
kevvo wrote:
AFCB lost in Brum wrote: Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble. Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up? Will the club go into administration? He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren. Others lost their jobs completely. Time to man up or clear off. Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly. Shame as before then he was mustard. Time for new blood, I can live with that.
Also with or mortgages we dont get the chance of influencing the outcome whilst a pro Footballer can actually along with his collegus perform well enough to influence the final outcome of the Season. So Warren and Gowling where in a position to help there own fate at the dismal run at the start of the Season.
Poor Warren well at least it keeps the heat of Mr Mostyn and Mr Sly who are obviously innocent of all charges and it is all Warrens fault for breaking his leg etc etc etc I for one will be supporting him as always tonight until things change and hopefully the ones with the vitriolic comments will as normal be in their abundance.
Posted by: AFCB lost in Brum, Birmingham on 1:08pm Mon 21 Jul 08
vitriolic comments?
sorry Rick but the club is on it's arse, and after his contract gamble didn't work Cummings wants to change it.
What do you suggest when other players start asking to get League 1 wages for a League 2 team?
Where's all this extra cash going to come from?
Every penny counts right now and we can't afford to go splashing it on people who were dealt with legally and fairly
vitriolic comments?
sorry Rick but the club is on it's arse, and after his contract gamble didn't work Cummings wants to change it.
What do you suggest when other players start asking to get League 1 wages for a League 2 team?
Where's all this extra cash going to come from?
Every penny counts right now and we can't afford to go splashing it on people who were dealt with legally and fairly
Posted by: brian, Blandford on 1:08pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]AFCB lost in Brum[/bold] wrote:
Oh, and Brian in Blandford - it is a short career but they get paid twice as much as the rest of us. Footballers rarely save all that excess cash for the future, instead spunking it on being flashy. No sympathy for people paid so much when nurses and their like get paid a pittance. [/quote] What will he do when his playing career is over? He will be a former player of a lower league team(s). Unless he has spent his time educating himself he will be all but un-employable.
As to how much he gets paid, his wages will be above average but when you look at the wage bill of the club, they are not paid the ridiculous wages of the premier league.
Your 2nd point just emphasises why he is dispute with the club.
He is just an employee who thinks his employers are not playing fair with him. It has nothing to do with how much anyone else is paid. If I (or perhaps you) thought that my employer was not paying me what I thought they owed me then I would start looking for alternative employment.
Oh, and Brum - I agree nurses are paid a pittance, but is neither Warren's or AFCB's fault so is completely irrelevant to this thread!
AFCB lost in Brum wrote:
Oh, and Brian in Blandford - it is a short career but they get paid twice as much as the rest of us. Footballers rarely save all that excess cash for the future, instead spunking it on being flashy. No sympathy for people paid so much when nurses and their like get paid a pittance.
What will he do when his playing career is over? He will be a former player of a lower league team(s). Unless he has spent his time educating himself he will be all but un-employable.
As to how much he gets paid, his wages will be above average but when you look at the wage bill of the club, they are not paid the ridiculous wages of the premier league.
Your 2nd point just emphasises why he is dispute with the club.
He is just an employee who thinks his employers are not playing fair with him. It has nothing to do with how much anyone else is paid. If I (or perhaps you) thought that my employer was not paying me what I thought they owed me then I would start looking for alternative employment.
Oh, and Brum - I agree nurses are paid a pittance, but is neither Warren's or AFCB's fault so is completely irrelevant to this thread!
Posted by: GMcMahon, Highcliffe on 1:16pm Mon 21 Jul 08
[quote][bold]Rick[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]kevvo[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]AFCB lost in Brum[/bold] wrote: Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble. Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up? Will the club go into administration? He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren. Others lost their jobs completely. Time to man up or clear off. Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly. Shame as before then he was mustard. Time for new blood, I can live with that. [/quote] Also with or mortgages we dont get the chance of influencing the outcome whilst a pro Footballer can actually along with his collegus perform well enough to influence the final outcome of the Season. So Warren and Gowling where in a position to help there own fate at the dismal run at the start of the Season. [/quote] Poor Warren well at least it keeps the heat of Mr Mostyn and Mr Sly who are obviously innocent of all charges and it is all Warrens fault for breaking his leg etc etc etc I for one will be supporting him as always tonight until things change and hopefully the ones with the vitriolic comments will as normal be in their abundance.[/quote] What are you on? Poor Warren, poor Warren, he earns more money playing football than the likes of Nurses, so where's the poor in all this? I don't see anyone saying it's all his fault for breaking his leg but the guy did sign a contract and we did have a very poor start to the season which did not help with both going into administration and relegation, he has no more right to be paid more than the contract states than any other player, also if he stays and gets on with it he will be supported by the same people who have always supported him including myself. As for Mostyn and Sly when has anyone said they were innocent in any of this? you are making stuff up which is nonsense, Cummings signed a contract which he knew months ago would come into play so why now make all the fuss. I can't see where him breaking his leg has any relevance to your argument over his contract either, it has been mentioned because the club stood by their contract with him then and he should do the same now, stop making this more than it is he's hardly got it tough as a footballer has he?
Rick wrote:
kevvo wrote:
AFCB lost in Brum wrote: Cummings situation when he signed the contract is just like trying to renew your mortgage right now - it's a gamble. Should I go variable? Get a fixed rate? Will we stay up? Will the club go into administration? He made a choice and didn't win - sorry but tough Warren. Others lost their jobs completely. Time to man up or clear off. Oh, and he was never the same player after the break. He can't get down the wing and overlap like he used to sadly. Shame as before then he was mustard. Time for new blood, I can live with that.
Also with or mortgages we dont get the chance of influencing the outcome whilst a pro Footballer can actually along with his collegus perform w
